$55 NL HE MTT: 55$ AQ

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

55

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (70 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 3,703 (6 bb)
UTG+1: 39,934 (67 bb)
MP (Hero): 19,134 (32 bb)
MP+1: 15,309 (26 bb)
CO: 16,687 (28 bb)
BU: 21,484 (36 bb)
SB: 22,377 (37 bb)
BB: 24,811 (41 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,460) Hero is MP with A♥ Q♠
2 players fold, Hero raises to 1,500, MP+1 calls 1,500, 3 players fold, BB calls 900

Flop: (5,360) 9♥ A♠ 4♣ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,768, MP+1 folds, BB calls 1,768

Turn: (8,896) 9♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 4,448, BB calls 4,448

River: (17,792) T♣ (2 players)
BB bets 17,025 (all-in), Hero calls 11,348 (all-in)

The bounty wasn't active yet


Preflop raise is fine


Flop is more favorable for me, I don't think a bigger Cbet is necessary


Turn Maybe a smaller raise would have been better here? Is checking too passive? BB could have a lot of 9s, 98+, possibly a flush draw, A9 full house



River The suits are complete, here I only have weaker AX, maybe I can go all-in with those as a bluff, but I'm still behind many combinations, I would have had 18BB left, it would have been better to fold

 

[Geo90]

The range is quite wide, and I fall short of it!

 

[Goggelheimer]

Why does your solver (GTO Wizard) only see nutted hand (without the nutted Flushes and there are many in the BB calling range)?
Is that your shortfall?
BB calling range can be much wider than you think, with alot of suited combos, especially in a bounty tournament where he covers you.
One pair(two with the board) hands can be sometimes pure bluff catchers.

 

[Geo90]

Why does your solver (GTO Wizard) only see nutted hand (without the nutted Flushes and there are many in the BB calling range)?
Is that your shortfall?
BB calling range can be much wider than you think, with alot of suited combos, especially in a bounty tournament where he covers you.
One pair(two with the board) hands can be sometimes pure bluff catchers.

Yes, I forgot to mark the flush draw nuts.

The bounty wasn't active yet, but if it had been, they could have given me anything if they covered it.

I just wanted to see for myself how many combos I was behind, and maybe it wouldn't have been a mistake to fold.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Standard open.

Flop
Standard C-bet.

Turn
Especially when you hold top pair yourself, you need to consider the possibility, that the opponent called your flop bet with second pair. So this is not a brick, and I would check back for pot control.

River
I think, its fair to say, that no worse hand is leading this board for value after calling flop and turn. So you have a bluff catcher, and then as always it comes down to pot odds, and how many logical combos of value and bluffs, he can have?

Starting with value we already establised, that he can have trips quite a bit. And since top pair is likely to check back this card, it makes sense for him to lead. He can also have the A high flush, which makes sense to lead for the same reason.

As for bluffs, well there are not really any, unless he called your turn bet with nothing out of position, or he is turning top pair into a bluff. So I fold here as played.

But not having to make that decision is part of the reason for checking back turn. In that situation you can easily call a normal river bet, and if he jam, he is risking his whole stack to win a small pot.

 

[puzzlefish]

This is how I have lost a lot of money in cash games, so I certainly would not recommend doing it in a $55 MTT mystery bounty without even having the bounty stage on

 

[fundiver199]

This is how I have lost a lot of money in cash games, so I certainly would not recommend doing it in a $55 MTT mystery bounty without even having the bounty stage on

To be fair this is a tournament hand, where we are 32BB effective against a single opponent, and then as a default its fine to stack off with top pair good kicker. And if the opponent had check-jammed the turn, I would have called it off as played. At that point at least we still beat the flushdraw, and maybe once in a while he play like this with another ace worse kicker than ours. However on the river we no longer beat the flushdraw, and this line is severely underbluffed in general.

It reminds me of a hand, Phil Helmuth played against "Bobby the Bus" (loose cannon) on the classic TV-show Big Game. Flop came QQA giving Bobby top pair and Phil trips. Phil bet pot, Bobby called. Turn was a brick, check, bet full pot again, call. River was another A, and now Bobby casualy led into Phil. The commentator (Joe Stableton) put it this way: "He called preflop, called the flop, called the turn and then wake up with a mussle spasm and lead the river? - its gotta be an ace"

 

[eetenor]

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (70 ante) - 8 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat

UTG: 3,703 (6 bb)
UTG+1: 39,934 (67 bb)
MP (Hero): 19,134 (32 bb)
MP+1: 15,309 (26 bb)
CO: 16,687 (28 bb)
BU: 21,484 (36 bb)
SB: 22,377 (37 bb)
BB: 24,811 (41 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,460) Hero is MP with A♥ Q♠
2 players fold, Hero raises to 1,500, MP+1 calls 1,500, 3 players fold, BB calls 900

Flop: (5,360) 9♥ A♠ 4♣ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,768, MP+1 folds, BB calls 1,768

Turn: (8,896) 9♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 4,448, BB calls 4,448

River: (17,792) T♣ (2 players)
BB bets 17,025 (all-in), Hero calls 11,348 (all-in)

The bounty wasn't active yet


Preflop raise is fine


Flop is more favorable for me, I don't think a bigger Cbet is necessary


Turn Maybe a smaller raise would have been better here? Is checking too passive? BB could have a lot of 9s, 98+, possibly a flush draw, A9 full house



River The suits are complete, here I only have weaker AX, maybe I can go all-in with those as a bluff, but I'm still behind many combinations, I would have had 18BB left, it would have been better to fold

Have not seen the reveal yet-

When we study these hands we want to dive deep into each street and reverse engineer our V's range.
Preflop BB range is wide lots of suited hands small pairs Ax hands.
On the flop before we bet, we refine V range. Flop is A94R with the A of spades which is very important because our V can have AXcc at a high frequency from BB and play it like this.
We bet into two players one of which has direct position on us which means we have similar ranges so a bet by us indicates strength.
The BB calls our strong bet. What is the range of hands that calls? Take the time to build the full range or use GTO WIZ to review possible ranges -

Turn pairs the 9---Is that good for us? Can the BB have a lot of 9x hands?
We bet again- half pot- a value size bet indicating lots of strength and the BB still calls. What is their range?

River brings in the flush they jam--What is their range? What are their bluffs? What are they trying to get you to fold? YOu showed lots of strength why would they expect you to fold?
What is the range that they are giving you that calls as indicated by thinking they can be called by you when they have the nuts? What is the nuts here? Would they play all the near nut hands like this on every street?
Do your Villains even know how to value target your range or are they always just jamming with flushes with no thought of what calls?

These are the exercises you can go thru to better understand a spot like this.

 

[Geo90]

Preflop
Standard open.

Flop
Standard C-bet.

Turn
Especially when you hold top pair yourself, you need to consider the possibility, that the opponent called your flop bet with second pair. So this is not a brick, and I would check back for pot control.

River
I think, its fair to say, that no worse hand is leading this board for value after calling flop and turn. So you have a bluff catcher, and then as always it comes down to pot odds, and how many logical combos of value and bluffs, he can have?

Starting with value we already establised, that he can have trips quite a bit. And since top pair is likely to check back this card, it makes sense for him to lead. He can also have the A high flush, which makes sense to lead for the same reason.

As for bluffs, well there are not really any, unless he called your turn bet with nothing out of position, or he is turning top pair into a bluff. So I fold here as played.

But not having to make that decision is part of the reason for checking back turn. In that situation you can easily call a normal river bet, and if he jam, he is risking his whole stack to win a small pot.

Trun: Yes, that would have been the right thing to do, but I built up an unnecessarily large pot again and ended up sticking to the card, unable to fold.

River: pot odds pot 29140 to 11348, which is 39%.

I set this as my Villains range.

And this was the result.


Yes, as you wrote, I raise on the river and I have enough chips to continue. But playing this way, I should have folded.

 

[Geo90]

This is how I have lost a lot of money in cash games, so I certainly would not recommend doing it in a $55 MTT mystery bounty without even having the bounty stage on

What exactly do you mean? Sorry, I don't quite understand.

 

[puzzlefish]

What exactly do you mean? Sorry, I don't quite understand.

I just meant getting too attached to top pair with a second best kicker, regardless of the board. In this case the board is not that dry either and a lot of draws complete. AQo, without connecting with a draw, can quickly get very expensive if playing for stacks.

 

[eetenor]

Trun: Yes, that would have been the right thing to do, but I built up an unnecessarily large pot again and ended up sticking to the card, unable to fold.

River: Pot odds pot 29140 to 11348, which is 39%.

I set this as my Villains range.
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And this was the result.
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Yes, as you wrote, I raise on the river and I have enough chips to continue. But playing this way, I should have folded.

Great job building ranges for study- it really helps us to see that equity output to know how often we should be folding on this river-- We have to be good 1-4 times to make the call is our V bluffing 25% of their range. Build that range to 25% to see just how many bluff combos they have to have for us to call- I predict you will see that there is no way a standard V is getting anywhere near 25% bluff combos.

A good way to estimate is to say would I bluff all these hands?

 

[Geo90]

Have not seen the reveal yet-

When we study these hands we want to dive deep into each street and reverse engineer our V's range.
Preflop BB range is wide lots of suited hands small pairs Ax hands.
On the flop before we bet, we refine V range. Flop is A94R with the A of spades which is very important because our V can have AXcc at a high frequency from BB and play it like this.
We bet into two players one of which has direct position on us which means we have similar ranges so a bet by us indicates strength.
The BB calls our strong bet. What is the range of hands that calls? Take the time to build the full range or use GTO WIZ to review possible ranges -

Turn pairs the 9---Is that good for us? Can the BB have a lot of 9x hands?
We bet again- half pot- a value size bet indicating lots of strength and the BB still calls. What is their range?

River brings in the flush they jam--What is their range? What are their bluffs? What are they trying to get you to fold? YOu showed lots of strength why would they expect you to fold?
What is the range that they are giving you that calls as indicated by thinking they can be called by you when they have the nuts? What is the nuts here? Would they play all the near nut hands like this on every street?
Do your Villains even know how to value target your range or are they always just jamming with flushes with no thought of what calls?

These are the exercises you can go thru to better understand a spot like this.

Translation takes more time, I'm progressing slowly, thank you for your reply.

These are important questions for future analysis, I need to ask myself these questions, it will help me better understand the scope of the paper.

 

[Geo90]

Great job building ranges for study- it really helps us to see that Equity output to know how often we should be folding on this river-- We have to be good 1-4 times to make the call is our V bluffing 25% of their range. Build that range to 25% to see just how many bluff combos they have to have for us to call- I predict you will see that there is no way a standard V is getting anywhere near 25% bluff combos.

A good way to estimate is to say would I bluff all these hands?

Thank you, GTO wizard, it's a big help in situations like this, it helps narrow down the ranges, but you have to learn it too.

We can't get 25% of the range to bluff with, so it would have been an obvious fold, we just had to see it through.

 

[Geo90]

I just meant getting too attached to top pair with a second best kicker, regardless of the board. In this case the board is not that dry either and a lot of draws complete. AQo, without connecting with a draw, can quickly get very expensive if playing for stacks.

Yes, now I see that I find it difficult to fold when there is a hero call, and I am too satisfied with myself for exposing a bluff, but I have to let that go. I sometimes play recklessly during the game, but I can only figure things out the next day with your help.