$8,8 NL HE MTT: 33

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

8,8

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1000/2000 (250 ante) - 8 játékos
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UTG: 24 814 (12 bb)
UTG+1: 59 527 (30 bb)
MP: 98 546 (49 bb)
MP+1 (Hős): 98 143 (49 bb)
CO: 169 583 (85 bb)
BU: 49 903 (25 db)
SB: 104 066 (52 bb)
BB: 139 526 (70 bb)

Pre-flop: (5,000) A hős MP+1, 3 ♣ 3 ♠-rel
3 játékos dob , Hero 4000-re emel , 2 játékos dob , SB megad 3000-et, BB megad 2000-et

Flop: (14,000) 8 ♠ 4 ♣ 4 ♠ (3 játékos)
SB ellenőrzések, BB ellenőrzések, Hős ellenőrzések

Kör: (14 000) Q ♠ (3 játékos)
SB ellenőrzések, BB ellenőrzések, Hős ellenőrzések

River: (14 000) 3 ♦ (3 játékos)
SB 9240-et nyit , BB megad 9240- et, Hero 24 328-ra emel , SB 99 816-ra emel (all-in) , BB dob , Hero 69 565-öt ad (all-in)


Még nem voltunk aktívak; a Mystery Bounty utolsó vak szintjén jártunk.



Preflop: Soremelés



Flop: Nem akartam gyarapítani a potot; sok zsetonom volt, és a következő vakszintre vártam.



Fordulás: Ugyanaz, mint korábban



River: Full house-t kaptam. Az SB itt egy flösssel emelhetett volna; sok Qx keze lehetett volna, vagy akár 8x is, ezért fontolóra vettem egy 3-betet.



És mivel all-in ment? Egyszínű Ax-szel.

A2S-A9S
A4-es
K4

88
44
QQ Szerintem nincs meg neki a 3-bet preflopnál.

Nem hiszem, hogy itt blöffök lesznek, főleg mivel a bounty a következő vakszinten aktiválódik.

Szerinted itt eldobhatjuk a lapjainkat? Vagy a riveren a 3-bet egy hiba volt?

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Standard open.

Flop
They will have missed this flop a lot, and between them they can have as many as 12 outs to turn a better pair. So I kind of like a small bet for equity denial here. The issue with checking back is, that we dont like any turn cards other than a 3 or a 2, and if someone bet the turn, we pretty much have to fold. Its not terrible to check back, but I would prefer to make a small bet.

Turn
At this point I would also check back and pretty much with the intention to give up.

River
Obviously the gin card, and of course you need to raise for value. But your sizing is to small. Pot is around 42k, after you call, and you only make it 15k more giving them almost 4:1. Their calling ranges are not elastic enough, that its more profitable to make such a small raise rather than a more substantial raise. A raise to 40k is still less than pot, and if it get called anything more than half as often, its more profitable.

Now the opponent jam, and this is a snap call. He can be jamming a flush, that he slowplayed on the turn, and if he has a better boat, it is, what it is. We are not looking to fold a full house on a single paired board for 49BB effective, not even when its the bottom one. There are also not that many boats, he should even have here. QQ usually 3-bet pre, and Q4, 84 or 43 are not a call from SB. So if he is any sort of reasonable, you only lose to 88 and 44, which is only 4 combos.

 

[Geo90]

Preflop
Standard open.

Flop
They will have missed this flop a lot, and between them they can have as many as 12 outs to turn a better pair. So I kind of like a small bet for equity denial here. The issue with checking back is, that we dont like any turn cards other than a 3 or a 2, and if someone bet the turn, we pretty much have to fold. Its not terrible to check back, but I would prefer to make a small bet.

Turn
At this point I would also check back and pretty much with the intention to give up.

River
Obviously the gin card, and of course you need to raise for value. But your sizing is to small. Pot is around 42k, after you call, and you only make it 15k more giving them almost 4:1. Their calling ranges are not elastic enough, that its more profitable to make such a small raise rather than a more substantial raise. A raise to 40k is still less than pot, and if it get called anything more than half as often, its more profitable.

Now the opponent jam, and this is a snap call. He can be jamming a flush, that he slowplayed on the turn, and if he has a better boat, it is, what it is. We are not looking to fold a full house on a single paired board for 49BB effective, not even when its the bottom one. There are also not that many boats, he should even have here. QQ usually 3-bet pre, and Q4, 84 or 43 are not a call from SB. So if he is any sort of reasonable, you only lose to 88 and 44, which is only 4 combos.

Flop

Yeah, I could have betthere, but because of the last blind level, I didn’t betbefore the bounty was activated

R flush, with which I go all-in A2s-A9s 8-handed

K4

A4, which I’m still beating



88 (3)

44 (1)

Q4S maybe



And in the next blind, the bounty activates—would you risk another 35BB?

I feel like I made a mistake here; I have the weakest full house, and I can only win against a flush

 

[fundiver199]

I feel like I made a mistake here; I have the weakest full house, and I can only win against a flush

It would be a huge mistake to fold, especially when the non pocket-pair full houses are very unlikely. If we can rule those outs, which I think, we pretty much can, then you basically only lose, if you got over-setted, which is one of the biggest coolers, that exist in NLH. And if he is bad enough to call with Q4 or 84 preflop, then he also call with a ton of other hands, that you beat, and that he might overplay. Like all sorts of suited junk or even trips. Focusing on coolers like this (assuming you lost) takes away attention from all those spots, where we had a real decision to make, and where edge can actually be found. Nobody gets away from a full house for 49BB, and if they do, they fold the best hand a ton of the time.

 

[Geo90]

Hatalmas hiba lenne dobni, különösen akkor, ha a nem zsebpáros full house-ok nagyon valószínűtlenek. Ha ezeket a kieséseket ki tudjuk zárni, ami szerintem nagyjából lehetséges, akkor gyakorlatilag csak akkor veszítesz, ha túl sok lapod van, ami az egyik legnagyobb cooler, ami létezik a NLH-ben. És ha elég rossz ahhoz, hogy Q4-gyel vagy 84-gyel preflop megadja, akkor egy csomó más kézzel is megadja, amit legyőztél, és amit esetleg túljátsz. Mint mindenféle egyszínű szemét lap, vagy akár triplák. Az ilyen coolerekre koncentrálni (feltételezve, hogy veszítettél) elvonja a figyelmet azokról a helyzetekről, ahol valódi döntést kellett hoznunk, és ahol ténylegesen előnyt találhatunk. Senki sem úszhatja meg a full house-t 49BB-vel, és ha mégis, akkor rengetegszer a legjobb kezet dobják el.

During the deal, I didn't even think about throwing; I gave it right away, but that's happened to me countless times on the last blind level — actually I'd rather sit on that blind level.

Yes, lately I feel like I'm getting into situations like this all the time; it's mentally exhausting, and I'm slowly giving up. You're right, I think too much in these situations and look for mistakes. thanks