goodboycharlie
Rising Star
Bronze Level
goodboycharlie
Rising Star
Bronze Level
veryluckyfish7k
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Well my opinion that button is an aggressive loose player who’s capable of jamming a wide range after calling preflop (very common in low-stakes tournaments and freeroll fields with ~45 VPIP), then he can be shoving a ton of bluffs, draws, and weak Ax or Qx hands.
In that scenario, your equity is usually well above the 44% call threshold, so calling becomes totally reasonable — especially since you have top pair with a good kicker and the A, which blocks a lot of his strongest nut-flush-draw combos.
goodboycharlie
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Many thanks!
thejuice1
Legend
Platinum Level
cant say for sure without knowing how that player that shoved plays. but as others said, its unlikely that he had AQ or AK as i dont think he shoves if he does. nor does he shove like that if he flopped a set. the one possible hand he couldve had was A8 flopping two pair. no other possible hand makes any sense in playing it the way he did... and honestly even that its a bad play, but imo its the one possible hand he could have at the time that might beat you.
if i know the guy is an aggressive donk, then im calling the majority of the time there. if i know hes more tight then im obviuosly folding most times there. if i know nothing about him, well then im calling half the time and folding half the time lol. one of those tough spots.
imo AJ is a fine raising hand... but its a bad calling a big bet hand.
if i know the guy is an aggressive donk, then im calling the majority of the time there. if i know hes more tight then im obviuosly folding most times there. if i know nothing about him, well then im calling half the time and folding half the time lol. one of those tough spots.
imo AJ is a fine raising hand... but its a bad calling a big bet hand.
Happy Bobi
Enthusiast
Silver Level
It all depends on the type of tournament. If it's a hyper or turbo tournament, I would call. If it's a regular tournament, I would fold.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
As others have said, we are lacking some information here, especially about the kind of tournament, where this happened. If its a freeroll, then I probably call here, because when its literally not their money, a lot of people are just having fun and gambling. However in a regular tournament I think, its rare, that people make this kind of move with nothing or with a medium strong made hand like AT or worse.
There is some argument, that he is on a capped range, because hands like QQ, AA, AK and maybe even AQ would have 3-bet pre, and that strong hands like two pair or sets would not be so fast to end the action. There are however some people, who completely panic, when there are two cards of the same suit on the board, so I dont think, we can rule hands like 88, A8 or AQ completely.
The other hand type, I would expect to see, and which is arguably most consistent with his line, are combodraws. KJ, KT, J9, T9 of clubs are 12 out draws, and JT of clubs is a 15 out draw. But the issue here is, that those hands have equity. Which mean, that unless he is some kind of wild gambler, you are either flipping for all your chips or way behind. So barring some other information, I do tend to agree with your decision to fold.
Some have pointed to him having a high VPIP of 45%, but this in itself is not enough justification to call in my opinion. Hero has a similar VPIP of 43% himself, and as far as I know, GG Poker only show in-game stats. Meaning that this could be over a very small sample like 20 hands, where the numbers dont actually mean that much, since he (and Hero) might just have been running a bit card hot.
There is also a big difference between doing a lot of limping or cold calling to try to see flops, and then putting all your chips - around 60BB - in on the flop with a massive overbet. And the VPIP number itself dont say anything about aggression tendencies. This is really not the same as having proper HUD-data from a program like PT4, where you can see the number of hands played and multible stats, so I would be very carefull to not over adjust based on it.
There is some argument, that he is on a capped range, because hands like QQ, AA, AK and maybe even AQ would have 3-bet pre, and that strong hands like two pair or sets would not be so fast to end the action. There are however some people, who completely panic, when there are two cards of the same suit on the board, so I dont think, we can rule hands like 88, A8 or AQ completely.
The other hand type, I would expect to see, and which is arguably most consistent with his line, are combodraws. KJ, KT, J9, T9 of clubs are 12 out draws, and JT of clubs is a 15 out draw. But the issue here is, that those hands have equity. Which mean, that unless he is some kind of wild gambler, you are either flipping for all your chips or way behind. So barring some other information, I do tend to agree with your decision to fold.
Some have pointed to him having a high VPIP of 45%, but this in itself is not enough justification to call in my opinion. Hero has a similar VPIP of 43% himself, and as far as I know, GG Poker only show in-game stats. Meaning that this could be over a very small sample like 20 hands, where the numbers dont actually mean that much, since he (and Hero) might just have been running a bit card hot.
There is also a big difference between doing a lot of limping or cold calling to try to see flops, and then putting all your chips - around 60BB - in on the flop with a massive overbet. And the VPIP number itself dont say anything about aggression tendencies. This is really not the same as having proper HUD-data from a program like PT4, where you can see the number of hands played and multible stats, so I would be very carefull to not over adjust based on it.