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Shadow6969
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Can somebody advice me about online poker and offline poker what are the pros and cons
Prophet
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Live poker it's random , meaning that you can have the best hand each time you play , or have the worst hand each time you play.
Online poker on the other hand and why people complain about , calling the game rigged, is because online poker is fair , meaning that on a table with 8 other players you are "entitled" to win 1/9 hands , it might be AA or 72 , the algorithm doesn't care about the cards you are playing but about the time you are playing.
That's why is good to play 10% of the dealt hands , and when you play a hand try to get in with players who play every other hand because the software doesn't let players win every hand.
Just as an example : the player to your right has played and won at showdown the last 4 hands with AK , JJ , 77, AJ
You are BB and he is SB the 5th round : he has AA this time and feeling lucky, because he's running hot. If he is raising to "steal" your blind, you might also call him with 72 , and because is a "fair game" and you play tight , you also have a high chance to get a flop of 227 , making a full house.
Online poker on the other hand and why people complain about , calling the game rigged, is because online poker is fair , meaning that on a table with 8 other players you are "entitled" to win 1/9 hands , it might be AA or 72 , the algorithm doesn't care about the cards you are playing but about the time you are playing.
That's why is good to play 10% of the dealt hands , and when you play a hand try to get in with players who play every other hand because the software doesn't let players win every hand.
Just as an example : the player to your right has played and won at showdown the last 4 hands with AK , JJ , 77, AJ
You are BB and he is SB the 5th round : he has AA this time and feeling lucky, because he's running hot. If he is raising to "steal" your blind, you might also call him with 72 , and because is a "fair game" and you play tight , you also have a high chance to get a flop of 227 , making a full house.
G0930
Captain Fathermucker, Satty Aficionado
Loyaler
The very thing applies to online poker also...🤔
Simply depends on the style of play
Pros of live poker is you can get tells through micro expressions which is immensely helpful.
Fewer participants therefore less donkeys
Online you can play in the comfort of your home , you have in general bigger prizepools but also many many more players which means donkeys and fish are everywhere ( at least microstakes)
Biggest con of online poker imo is due to the vast numbers of players, variance is automatically much higher than at live poker (which gives the impression to some people online poker is rigged lol but that's another story)
Prophet
Rock Star
Platinum Level
I disagree Sir !
To make final tables online you must fold aces , flushes and full-house, because they are traps to get you committed to the pot and loose all your chips.
Algorithms ensure fairness. Their core principle establishes that what you see is what you get. There's no manipulation or cheating involved. They help create a secure and reliable environment, ensuring everyone has an equal opportunity to win or lose.
In a heads-up scenario , if you win 5 hands and your opponent wins 1 hand , it means that the software OWE him 4 winning hands ( and then you can expect to loose with premium hands any time soon)
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G0930
Captain Fathermucker, Satty Aficionado
Loyaler
You need to fold big hands both live and online sometimes.
But you also can get to FT without folding monsters. Unlikely though.
Making good folds is one of these things you need to do to seperate you from losing players, regardless if online or live.
Online you might need to do it moreoften
Prophet
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Because live poker doesn't have a fairness algorithm
G0930
Captain Fathermucker, Satty Aficionado
Loyaler
What?^^ there is no such thing as a fairness algorithm .
Prophet
Rock Star
Platinum Level
your reply made me lose interest in the topic.... just google "poker RNG"
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G0930
Captain Fathermucker, Satty Aficionado
Loyaler
Yes me too because you don't make any sense ^^
Yes I know what Rng is.
A "fairness algorithm" though doesn't exist
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
When an RNG is said to be fair, it does not mean that every player wins an equal number of hands but that the equity of each hand is exactly what it is supposed to be if you run the simulations an appropriate amount of times:
Let's take this example:
If we hold AA against our opponents 72o, we win it with a probability of 87% or roughly 7 out of 8 times.
Let's say we run the same setup with a poker RNG 1 million times, the result would be:
AA wins 874200 times
72 wins 121800 times
Both players tie 4000 times
Any serious deviation from that means the poker RNG is not fair, meaning it's not random and has some sort of bias in it.
Prophet
Rock Star
Platinum Level
The RNG is a fairness algorithm , ensuring everyone has an equal opportunity to win or lose.
You can win with trash hands against players who play 100% of the dealt hands , and you can loose with premium hands against tight players , if you play 100% of the hands.
Just go and test it yourself with your own money, try AoF on GGpoker and let me know how many hands you win in a row. Not consecutive hands !! but the ones you choose to go all in with . I guarantee you will loose with AK , AA .....
You can win with trash hands against players who play 100% of the dealt hands , and you can loose with premium hands against tight players , if you play 100% of the hands.
Just go and test it yourself with your own money, try AoF on GGpoker and let me know how many hands you win in a row. Not consecutive hands !! but the ones you choose to go all in with . I guarantee you will loose with AK , AA .....
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Shadow6969
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Thanks mate for the good explanation 😊
Reddog888
Rock Star
Platinum Level
it depends on whether this is your job to make money or just a hobby and passion. But since you asked this question, I think you are not at the level of poker to make money, so play live poker and feel it like real life
veryluckyfish7k
Rock Star
Silver Level
Online is faster, more volume, softer games at low stakes, but no live reads and the variance feels crazier.
Offline: Live poker is slower but softer, you get real tells and table vibes, but it costs time/money to get to the casino and you play fewer hands.
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
If that was the case, there'd be no reason to play online poker. Eventually everyone would pay the 10% rake and just trade of the buyins.
There would be no long term winning or loosing players.
Looking at some graphs from sharkscope, it goes to show that your argument simply does not hold.
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veszmo
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Interesting comments have been made here. Everyone has a different idea. I think the knowledge factor is greater in live poker than in online poker. You can learn from your opponents' reactions, behavior, facial expressions, and this skill can be learned.
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
I believe this one is actually a bit different:Oh for f... sake. Why does so many threads with serious topics like this need to be turned into yet another "online poker is rigged" nonsense thread by people, who have no clue, what they are talking about?
A genuine misinterpretation of the term of "fairness" of online poker.
But I get where you are coming from. 😅
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Could perhaps matter also, that live poker is at least 100 times more expensive than online poker. Not everyone can afford to go to a casino and burn $500-1.000 just to have an evening of fun and get some practice. Spending $5-10 to play a session of 2NL online is a bit more affordable to say the least.
hardongear
Legend
Silver Level
Live poker is a lot more expense even at entry level 1/2 to get into then online. Live is a lot slower. Live poker you have to put up with miserable, terrible, smelly and insurable human beings.
Online poker is a lot cheaper to get started in. $50 for 2nl, then $150-200 for 5nl and once reach $500 it's 10nl and $5 MTT's. Online poker is faster you can also multi table. And the very best part you don't have to put up with miserable, terrible, smelly and insurable human beings.
The only downside of online poker is once you get above 10nl, 25nl and 50nl(depending on site) it's not not near as soft as live poker. Why? Because humans at 1/2, 2/5 and even 5/10 live poker can't hide their emotions so they're easy to read once you have experience in doing so.
Not sure if I missed anything to not as that's all just off the top of my head.
Cheers!!!
Online poker is a lot cheaper to get started in. $50 for 2nl, then $150-200 for 5nl and once reach $500 it's 10nl and $5 MTT's. Online poker is faster you can also multi table. And the very best part you don't have to put up with miserable, terrible, smelly and insurable human beings.
The only downside of online poker is once you get above 10nl, 25nl and 50nl(depending on site) it's not not near as soft as live poker. Why? Because humans at 1/2, 2/5 and even 5/10 live poker can't hide their emotions so they're easy to read once you have experience in doing so.
Not sure if I missed anything to not as that's all just off the top of my head.
Cheers!!!
Sunz of Beaches
Whot a Donk
Platinum Level
You have a lot of opinion for someone who completely misunderstood what an RNG is. I highly recommend you to visit the CC 30 days beginners course if you want to improve a bit. Timing would be just right after like 17 years.
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Ruinkind
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I have no idea where people come up with some of this crap, Big Algorithm would nullifly badbeat jackpots across the board, sunrunners, and leaderboards.
Its a number generator, our best attempt and understanding of how "random", works. Sure, if you were some kinda super computer AI wizard, you might be able to see patterns in a computers RNG generator across billions of hands, somewhat in the same realm of solvers.
In the same way, there are patterns in natures random, entering chaos theory.
It actually gives me some kind of credence for the way "vibe" players and people who play their favourite numbers..
They might be far more open to embracing luck then someone like me, who likes averages.
Its a number generator, our best attempt and understanding of how "random", works. Sure, if you were some kinda super computer AI wizard, you might be able to see patterns in a computers RNG generator across billions of hands, somewhat in the same realm of solvers.
In the same way, there are patterns in natures random, entering chaos theory.
It actually gives me some kind of credence for the way "vibe" players and people who play their favourite numbers..
They might be far more open to embracing luck then someone like me, who likes averages.
olejean
Visionary
Platinum Level
You will get many different answers to such question. And all these answers may be both correct and incorrect simultaneously. The main reason is that almost no one knows for sure what criteria are programmed into online poker. If you have enough practice in online poker and offline poker, only then you will be able to draw conclusions about the advantages and disadvantages based on your own experience.