Push/fold and resteals. Inconsistencies in charts.

[BelFish]

A question. 99-tt hands in resteal charts against a single opener from early position, we shove when we are not in the blinds (and when in the blinds) with a stack of 13BB or less, and in push/fold charts vs EP (not from blinds) - at 8BB, SB vs EP - at 9BB , BB vs EP - at 10BB or less.

AJ/Ats vs MP we re-steal with stack 13BB and less, and in push/fold charts in different situations - push only with stacks 5-8BB

Also, some aces with small kickers against CO and BU we resteal with stack 13BB, and the exact same hands on the push/fold charts are shoved in respective spots with 6BB or less.

Kt/KJo/K9s/QJs in the spot BB vs CO; and KQ/KJs in the spot BB vs MP according to the resteal chart shoves with stack 13BB and less, and according to the push/fold charts the same hands in the respective spots shoved only with stack 4BB or less.

In the case of pairs (99 and tt), the difference in stacks is on average 1.5 times if we compare the resteal and push charts, but for unpaired hands the difference is already more significant, as much as 2-3 times! Moreover, the article on push/fold does not say anything about the fact that there may be exceptions for cases of resteal. And there said that only the position of the opener matters and it does not matter if someone else behind him enters the game in front of us.

So the question is, do i understand correctly that if there is only one raiser entering the game, then the resteal charts take precedence over the push/fold charts?

Or it could be that, depending on the icm, in most cases when we play with a stack with an eye on ITM, push/fold charts and tighter play will still be a priority (for cases of a possible resteal with only one open-raiser)?

After all, the difference in the stack by 2-3 times is very significant! But if the resteal is more profitable, then you don’t want to miss the EV. On the other hand, maybe these resteal moves are too loose and vice versa will work worse than a much tighter push/fold charts... I used to play push/fold charts in these spots. And now, when i read the article with resteal charts, i found myself in some confusion...

Picture for clarity (according to the information that i wrote in this post, i circled in orange in the picture, and for the question that will be in the next message - in red):

 

[BelFish]

I also noticed that for the spot BB vs CO, if we consider resteal charts as priority over push/fold charts in possible situations for resteal (when we have only one raiser in front of us), then it turns out that we with a stack of 13BB will fold aces with low kickers (A9o-A2o/A8s-A2s), which we shove in the push/fold charts with 5-6bb stacks; we fold KQ/KJs hands but still shove Kt/KJo/K9s/QJs, which shoved in push/fold charts with a stack only of 4BB or less, but which are weaker than KQ/KJs hands!

If you can argue about aces with small kickers that we fold them because of dominance, then with kings it turns out very strange that we resteal, for example, with a hand of Kto, but KQs fold with a stack of 13BB. Then it would be more logical to resteal kings with higher kickers with a stack of 13BB and less, but we start restealing them only from the 18BB mark.

Further, - the cutoff and the button are close stealing positions, but against the button we will resteal some of aces with small kickers with a stack of 13BB, and the other part with a stack of 15BB, and against the cutoff there are dashes in the resteal chart and it turns out that we should fold them until the moment until our stack "melts" to 5-6BB. That is, against the button we resteal with a stack of 13-15BB, and against the cutoff with a stack of 7-13BB we simply fold. This is also strange.

In the picture from the previous post, i circled these spots in red in the corresponding charts.

 

[BelFish]

In the question about of kings with different kickers, i messed up a bit. 18 in the resteal chart means 18 or less, not 18 or more ))
So this also applies to 13BB stacks...

But other questions remain valid.

 

[BelFish]

No one writes anything so long...

At least tell us roughly whether you play close to these charts in similar spots, or maybe you have some of your own, very different game options.

 

[Edu1]

No one writes anything so long...

maybe because this is kind complex? several questions... :icon_stud

 

[BelFish]

Well, someone could try to answer one of the questions...

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Now i think that resteal charts are the priority because they are used only in rare conditional situations with only one open raiser. And push/fold charts are used against pushes and in multipots. And against a single raiser, we can act more aggressively (than on the push/fold charts) and have better fold equity than in other cases...

But all the same, questions remain whether any of these charts are too tight or loose.

 

[jordanbillie]

Woah!

Perhaps the charts are too much.

Just play your opponent and try not to rely too much on a system.

 

[BelFish]

Woah!

Perhaps the charts are too much.

Just play your opponent and try not to rely too much on a system.

Well, it is clear that you need to adapt to different types of opponents. But against unknowns it is better to play according to a certain system. And it's better to play tighter.

It seems like a lot of charts, but there are only 2 groups of charts, and they are not that difficult if you devote some time to studying them ))