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Message: [QUOTE="NoMem, post: 538461, member: 20208"] I'm not expert in poker by far, but based on what I've read and hopefully learned, both of those hands were not considered good starting hands when you're in early or even middle position in Limit poker. Low Limit hold'em is very lose, and this isn't at all uncommon. I've been rivered many a time, in similar situations, so I know how you feel. That's why I went back and re-read my books on low-limit, and now play much tighter and with more patience than when I started. Even being patient and waiting for good hands doesn't always work, but it does make a difference as to whether you're a net loser or net winner, and I like being a net winner. [/QUOTE]