All beginners: Are you afraid of elite players at micro cash games?

Narcotic35 · Jan 25, 2018

As a beginner, I was moderately shocked to find out from posted hands that some of the Cardschat Elite members regularly play NL .01/.02 as well.

For me this was something completely new - I believed seasoned players only played .10/.25+, maybe even 1/2+.

This is giving me a whole new (and humbling) perspective on playing at the lowest possible blinds. It might also explain why I am still loosing all the time - I just haven't learned enough yet.

What do you think and what are your experiences?

LevySystem · Jan 25, 2018

Narcotic35 said:
As a beginner, I was moderately shocked to find out from posted hands that some of the Cardschat Elite members regularly play NL .01/.02 as well. For me this was something completely new - I believed seasoned players only played .10/.25+, maybe even 1/2+.

This is giving me a whole new (and humbling) perspective on playing at the lowest possible blinds. It might also explain why I am still loosing all the time - I just haven't learned enough yet.

What do you think and what are your experiences?

As far as i know you become an elite-member by being active in the forums right? So doesnt mean you are a good player just because youre active in the forums. Its more likely, but it doesnt have to be.

Only about 10% of pokerplayers make money out of the game in the long run, so if you want to become one of them there is a lot to study.

From my personal experience in Cashgame NL2-10 Zoom on PS id say there is not that many regulars that play NL2, there is a couple, but as soon as they are good enough they will move up in stackes. If someone stays at NL2 with a big enough BR hes either a huge nit or has just big leaks in his game wich dont allow him to move up in stackes. Usually one goes with the other.

Narcotic35 · Jan 25, 2018

Luepso said:
As far as i know you become an elite-member by being active in the forums right? So doesnt mean you are a good player just because youre active in the forums. Its more likely, but it doesnt have to be.

Only about 10% of pokerplayers make money out of the game in the long run, so if you want to become one of them there is a lot to study.

From my personal experience in Cashgame NL2-10 Zoom on PS id say there is not that many regulars that play NL2, there is a couple, but as soon as they are good enough they will move up in stackes. If someone stays at NL2 with a big enough BR hes either a huge nit or has just big leaks in his game wich dont allow him to move up in stackes. Usually one goes with the other.

Interesting point. The person I saw posting NL2 hands is definitely a pretty good player who regularly cashes decent tournaments. But you are saying that is a total exception rather than normality? I hope so...

GRIN281289 · Jan 25, 2018

of course I'm afraid. I think everyone is afraid of but I always played my game

LevySystem · Jan 25, 2018

Narcotic35 said:
Interesting point. The person I saw posting NL2 hands is definitely a pretty good player who regularly cashes decent tournaments. But you are saying that is a total exception rather than normality? I hope so...

Yes. I dont have concrete numbers here but the ratio of recreationals compared to regulars decreases moving up in stakes. Most likely a breakeven NL100 player will crush NL5 for instance. Doesnt mean there isnt people at NL100 that just want to blow a stack for sake of fun, but it is less likely.

As for tournaments and cashgame, thats 2 different things. There is people that do well in both, but id stick to one of them first and try to master that

Nikka18 · Jan 25, 2018

Yes i am. They does come and win my cash. Lol. And usually they come in the game with plently money, and always get high. To run me

Nano5722 · Jan 25, 2018

This is not how the situation is looking like, you can find lots of strong players at the low limits, actually i think that it,s hard to win at 0,01/0,02, because usually people who playing this limits just have no money for deposits, but if they got something from freerolls they go there and play really well. A people who play poker for fun will never play 0,01/0,02, because this is not interesting for them to play such a low limits. They want to win money, even if they play bad, and the winnings at low limits is low as well, so they go higher limits.

LevySystem · Jan 25, 2018

Nano5722 said:
This is not how the situation is looking like, you can find lots of strong players at the low limits, actually i think that it,s hard to win at 0,01/0,02, because usually people who playing this limits just have no money for deposits, but if they got something from freerolls they go there and play really well. A people who play poker for fun will never play 0,01/0,02, because this is not interesting for them to play such a low limits. They want to win money, even if they play bad, and the winnings at low limits is low as well, so they go higher limits.

I dont really have experience +NL25 but i can definitly say that NL2 is softer then NL10 and NL10 is softer then NL25. The playstyle is different, but overall the skill is lower at lower stackes. I get youre point but isnt it safe to asume that people are more likely to blow 10$ more often than blowing 100$?

blueskies · Jan 25, 2018

Hell no. The most you can do is lose a couple of bucks at once.

If you are losing because villains are hitting 10> outers against you all the time then there's nothing you can do but wait for your luck to turn. If you are getting beat by good players, then you know you can improve your game.

For example, call less. Play in position more. Dial up the aggression in position. Pay attention to villain tendencies and try to exploit.

When you are all in on the flop with a set of Ks and the mofo turns over A3 and hits 2 4 to complete a str then truly there's nothing else you can do.

Zer0-0uts · Jan 26, 2018

To answer the OP's original question, I do not worry about elite players at the micro stakes. If by elite players you mean players who are on this site that are tagged as, "Elite" then as has already been stated you gain the, "Elite" status on this site by the number of posts you have on the site. If by elite player you mean a shark, they do not swim the shallow waters. For the most part the micros consist of beginners with a small bankroll grinding out to grow their roll, or recreational players who just splash money around. The variance in the micro stakes is so enormous. It is hard to win at micro stakes because so many people come to the tables with the mind set of, "Well it's only a dollar." The key to winning the micros and building your roll is not to play scared money, but to play a tight aggressive game (Top 20% hands or so), play position, and smart bankroll management. It is hard to do, but I believe it can be done. The small stakes is a great place to play and make mistakes and learn. Just make sure you learn from your mistakes. I do not fear the elite because they do not play at those stakes.

Mikeloti13 · Jan 26, 2018

Some players play the game because of its beauty and dont want to go higher stakes because its maybe too stressing. I myself play every tournament or cash game, high or low stakes, the same. Im taking seriously every game.

nutthink · Jan 26, 2018

i dont play cash but dont affraid, become one my friend. gl

CforChampion · Jan 26, 2018

If you're losing at cash games maybe tournaments would be more suited for you, I am a terrible cash game player (usually win a lot, then lose it all) but I am a pretty good tournament player.

Studying a lot more would help a ton also. Studying strategies, Mathematics behind it etc.

GL

LevySystem · Jan 26, 2018

Zer0-0uts said:
To answer the OP's original question, I do not worry about elite players at the micro stakes. If by elite players you mean players who are on this site that are tagged as, "Elite" then as has already been stated you gain the, "Elite" status on this site by the number of posts you have on the site. If by elite player you mean a shark, they do not swim the shallow waters. For the most part the micros consist of beginners with a small bankroll grinding out to grow their roll, or recreational players who just splash money around. The variance in the micro stakes is so enormous. It is hard to win at micro stakes because so many people come to the tables with the mind set of, "Well it's only a dollar." The key to winning the micros and building your roll is not to play scared money, but to play a tight aggressive game (Top 20% hands or so), play position, and smart bankroll management. It is hard to do, but I believe it can be done. The small stakes is a great place to play and make mistakes and learn. Just make sure you learn from your mistakes. I do not fear the elite because they do not play at those stakes.

Thanks for making this clear, thats exactly what i was trying to say.

Jockerist · Jan 26, 2018

Why be afraid of elite players? I'm not afraid. "So afraid of wolves in the woods not to go."

braveslice · Jan 29, 2018

Yeah, like said there are no elite players in 2NL-10NL. I have never seen one yet, well some elite players go there to have fun by playing stupidly but that is just for fun for them, they mostly gamble and donate money away.

It's not to say some players try to learn more than others, but even to beat the rake takes lots of trying.

Vitor Barbosa · Jan 29, 2018

if you think you're playing with better players, you should play safer, start giving notes to the villains in showdowns, use holdem manager maybe help too

nikiola007 · Jan 29, 2018

micro stakes is the worst too many all ins so too many id....ts

Lorpugo · Jan 29, 2018

it would be great to play ivey negreanu and co with me for 1.5$ this will be lesson much more worth it the money

kraemer · Jan 29, 2018

I think You will not find too many excellent players on the micro stake tables...

If You are a good player You will make around 5 - 10 BB per 100 hands...
100 hands will take an hour or even more...

A good player will not play for 10 - 20 cents per hour ?
Why should he when he can make $10 per hour on a $1/$2 table?

That doesnt mean that anyone on a microstake table is a donk though...
For example the average income in many eastern european countries is just around 300 - 500 Euro per month... So it is likely that a slovenian player simply cannot afford to deposit 100 right away... No matter how good he is as a poker player. He will start with a $10 deposit and try to work his way up....

But if You see someone consistently playing the micros for a long time then it usually means that he isnt capable of winning enough to move up in stakes.

Brian11580 · Feb 12, 2018

I agree with Karemer...If he cant win at the big tables, he goes to micro well the lvl of players are way different, I see most ppl call ne two face cards most of the time

Leonardo Laquale · Feb 12, 2018

Cash games

I play a lot of bad cash, as I am more technical I have a lot of difficulty buying smaller ones with donkey games

UberKadet · Feb 12, 2018

GRIN281289 said:
of course I'm afraid. I think everyone is afraid of but I always played my game

There is no point in being afraid. its best to just play your best games regardless of who your playing against...just freaking out over whether your playing an amateur or pro is not going to help your game

UberKadet · Feb 12, 2018

kraemer said:
I think You will not find too many excellent players on the micro stake tables...

If You are a good player You will make around 5 - 10 BB per 100 hands...
100 hands will take an hour or even more...

A good player will not play for 10 - 20 cents per hour ?
Why should he when he can make $10 per hour on a $1/$2 table?

That doesnt mean that anyone on a microstake table is a donk though...
For example the average income in many eastern european countries is just around 300 - 500 Euro per month... So it is likely that a slovenian player simply cannot afford to deposit 100 right away... No matter how good he is as a poker player. He will start with a $10 deposit and try to work his way up....

But if You see someone consistently playing the micros for a long time then it usually means that he isnt capable of winning enough to move up in stakes.

thats isnt necessarily true. i know ppl with big bank rolls who still mix it up and play micro and BB1/2 and higher tables

Sorin Iliescu · Feb 12, 2018

CforChampion said:
If you're losing at cash games maybe tournaments would be more suited for you, I am a terrible cash game player (usually win a lot, then lose it all) but I am a pretty good tournament player.

Studying a lot more would help a ton also. Studying strategies, Mathematics behind it etc.

GL

what do you think is different between the two? as a beginner, i guess for surviving a tournament it's less skill intensive as the winning/losing ratio from cash games.

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