hey, i'm 9k. #3

right guys, got some sizing spots for you! (2 more post-flop spots coming in next post)

Acky - I have no clue how to size pre here without looking ridic strong.. cib seems sexy but since he's an unknown we might lose value pre.. but then its a 4bet pot so getting stacks should never bet a problem.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $24.65 (VPIP: 28.77, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, hands: 77)
Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $28.26
UTG: $25.00 (VPIP: 12.90, PFR: 11.06, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 821)
MP: $25.20 (VPIP: 30.38, PFR: 15.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 81)
CO: $25.00 (VPIP: 16.69, PFR: 10.82, 3Bet Preflop: 4.96, Hands: 657)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A:club: A:heart:

fold, MP raises to $1.00, fold, BTN raises to $3.75, Hero?

Pocketehs - again shoving seems a bit too much to win a $4 4bet, don't know how balanced we are here though since we're never really 5b folding for that sizing.. can we cib?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $10.70 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 51)
BTN: $25.95 (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 22.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 61)
SB: $32.60 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (BB): $25.35
UTG: $22.95 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K:club: K:spade:

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.55, fold, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN raises to $4.25, Hero raises to $8.00, BTN raises to $25.95 and is all-in, Hero calls $17.35 and is all-in

Flop: ($50.80, 2 players) A:club: T:heart: 8:club:

Turn: ($50.80, 2 players) K:heart:

River: ($50.80, 2 players) 7:heart:

Hero shows K:club: K:spade: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 70%, Flop 10%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows K:diamond: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 30%, Flop 90%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $48.80

Duggs - good spot to triple? vs a 30/22 over like 100 hands..

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $24.68 (VPIP: 28.77, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 77)
Hero (UTG): $34.50
MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 14.65, PFR: 11.47, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 159)
CO: $25.25 (VPIP: 30.85, PFR: 21.28, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 96)
BTN: $53.07 (VPIP: 30.38, PFR: 15.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 81)
SB: $25.45 (VPIP: 13.19, PFR: 11.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.89, Hands: 720)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J:spade: A:spade:

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 3:club: 2:heart: 9:diamond:
Hero bets $1.00, CO calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.85, 2 players) K:spade:
Hero bets $2.50, CO calls $2.50

River: ($8.85, 2 players) 6:spade:
Hero?

Deco - vs a bad-ish reg, 23/17 over 600ish hands. no real clue what he does this with? bar JJ maybe..

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $25.00 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 14.55, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 55)
BTN: $25.00 (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 22.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 61)
SB: $10.10 (VPIP: 24.84, PFR: 14.91, 3Bet Preflop: 7.35, Hands: 165)
BB: $4.74 (VPIP: 44.68, PFR: 27.66, 3Bet Preflop: 20.83, Hands: 47)
UTG: $43.67 (VPIP: 22.61, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 438)
Hero (MP): $31.31

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T:spade: T:diamond:

UTG raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 9:heart: 4:spade: J:spade:
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.00, UTG calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.85, 2 players) K:club:
UTG bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

River: ($9.35, 2 players) T:heart:
UTG bets $4.50, fold

UTG wins $8.93

Any raise in the AA hand will tend to get MP to fold out, thus iso'ing with BTN. Nice to iso, but are there never times you would rather build a pot with more potential than just one stack?

Not positive that cib means check it back, but I think you are in a great position to aim for 2 stacks instead of just the one. I'd be calling the btn with the AA, and praying that MP decides I ain't strong and does the work for me.

cib = click it back = min raise or something near

I hate flatting here since we're OOP, if we were IP I'd like it more but its meh, also the fact people 4xed and the 3bet was almost 4x that, I have to give someone credit for a hand right?

You're flatting JTo against BTN steals?? I could be wrong but I'm guessing that if this is profitable in the long run it's only against reeeeeaaallyyy wide steal ranges. JTo is only 55% against an ATC, and 46% against a 50% steal range.

Obv preflop equity isn't the whole story, but seems unlikely to show a profit against most players (though I don't play your crazy aggro limits) - you'd have to be totally owning them postflop to make it worthwhile prob. Just my 2c though.

but given the odds we dont need more than 50% equity. and when their cbet
% is high its not unreasonable to show a profit imo

duggs said:

but given the odds we dont need more than 50% equity. and when their cbet
% is high its not unreasonable to show a profit imo

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anyone feel like posting opinions on hands btw?

yeah, I've got 2 hands.. not working on my redline as much but still trying to get folds in spots I think are good. this might be terrible, i'm not sure?

vs a 22/18.

PokerStars - €0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €21.52
BB: €33.65 (VPIP: 26.83, PFR: 21.55, 3Bet Preflop: 7.85, Hands: 1,115)
Hero (UTG): €36.90
CO: €24.62 (VPIP: 40.27, PFR: 10.41, 3Bet Preflop: 1.12, Hands: 227)
BTN: €68.63 (VPIP: 23.50, PFR: 18.05, 3Bet Preflop: 6.72, Hands: 359)

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.35) Hero has 7:spade: 7:diamond:

Hero raises to €0.75, fold, BTN calls €0.75, fold, fold

Flop: (€1.85, 2 players) A:club: 8:club: Q:diamond:
Hero bets €1.00, BTN calls €1.00

Turn: (€3.85, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero bets €2.50, BTN calls €2.50

River: (€8.85, 2 players) 5:diamond:
Hero bets €5.50, fold

Hero wins €8.45

this ones a little bit meh, at the time I figured he has more 5's in his range than I do, and my range is pretty much all pairs + FD's.. OTR though I figured my range looks like TT+, floats and busted FD's compared to his range which has a bunch of air and a few weak SD hands?

might be a little FPS/bad.

vs 30/22 3b of 10 over 130ish hands.

PokerStars - €0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €25.00 (VPIP: 26.95, PFR: 18.56, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 172)
BB: €27.68 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 8.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 86)
UTG: €25.00 (VPIP: 26.83, PFR: 21.55, 3Bet Preflop: 7.85, Hands: 1,115)
MP: €48.32 (VPIP: 72.34, PFR: 29.79, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 51)
CO: €38.02 (VPIP: 25.91, PFR: 23.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 391)
Hero (BTN): €57.52

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.35) Hero has A:heart: Q:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to €0.62, SB raises to €2.25, fold, Hero calls €1.63

Flop: (€4.75, 2 players) 6:spade: 3:club: 2:club:
SB bets €2.50, Hero calls €2.50

Turn: (€9.75, 2 players) 4:spade:
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (€9.75, 2 players) 4:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets €5.50, fold

Hero wins €9.31

I guess hand one he folds almost everything by the river, so yeah. Hand two I reckon you've probably folded out a worse hand a lot here. He's got nothing but overs a LOT, so you could probably bet way less to get all those folds.

Cafeman31 said:

I guess hand one he folds almost everything by the river, so yeah. Hand two I reckon you've probably folded out a worse hand a lot here. He's got nothing but overs a LOT, so you could probably bet way less to get all those folds.

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this was my thinking on review, he tanked for ageeeeeeees though and he can have random 6x/3x etc which I also want to fold.. $5.50 might still be a bit big

Hand 1 if you bet flop then you have to triple barrel.

Hand 2 I prefer betting turn or you're giving villain the chance to bluff on the river. Also villain will have to think about the fact there's still a potential river bet coming meaning you have more FE.

Hand 1 - obviously you have reads there as you get a nice river fold but I'm curious isnt like the 9c turn one of the worse cards to double barrel given his flop flatting range? The river barrel also makes even less sense to me, maybe you're on a different level as you got a fold but I just can' see him folding many turns/rivers.


I like hand 2; I'd much prefer a raiseon the flop as opposed to a float and the turn is like the best card ever to fire. If I took a call line on the flop and he checks back the turn, he's so weak you can fire like every time and get folds nearly 100% of the time.

APA do you bet turn with overpairs for value there? seems like we get folds even if we know we're ahead. + if he bets the river its not like we have the best hand a ton anyway or I wouldn't need to bluff the river :/

and imo for hand 1 its like this:

1 barrel folds out all air/pairs that are set mining etc etc.
2 barrels fold out Qx/floats
3 barrels fold out a lot of Ax some weak 2 pairs

I don't think we have to triple barrel here 100%, or even anywhere near.

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Ram, we can't x/r IP and by raising we rep a smaller amount of hands than we do by flatting. + its cheaper if we get barreled on as opposed to shoved on.

on turns by betting we only rep 5x and FD's so villains can call turns a lot, if I fire turn I have to fire river OR I can check turn and fire river when checked to and still get a lot of folds from the same range for less.

on Hand 1 the only hands the turn improves really are FD's (KJc and thats probably it) JT (unlikely vs UTG opens) and hands that have Kc/Qc in it.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

Ram, we can't x/r IP and by raising we rep a smaller amount of hands than we do by flatting. + its cheaper if we get barreled on as opposed to shoved on.

on turns by betting we only rep 5x and FD's so villains can call turns a lot, if I fire turn I have to fire river OR I can check turn and fire river when checked to and still get a lot of folds from the same range for less.

on Hand 1 the only hands the turn improves really are FD's (KJc and thats probably it) JT (unlikely vs UTG opens) and hands that have Kc/Qc in it.

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Sorry- I edited post - I meant raise the flop. I don't mind floating such a wet board IP, but I think you have to always fire every turn when checked to you as when you check back you rep such a weak range yourself. I prefer raising the flop purely because, we have postion and when he flats we're so confident we can get him of any hand when the turn comes any club or any low card or actually any card for that matter. It sets up nicely for a turn bet and big river bet/shove we can expect to get a ton of folds on.

Hand 1: I'd of thought the turn is a great card for villian, as opposed to us. It completes more of his range than yours and it really doesn't discourage him calling down hands he called with on the flop. The same goes for the river, if he has Qx on the fop; he doesn't call the turn to fold the river bet. It also gives him a great opportunity to raise every turn.

Of course this is my opinion so likely be on my own here lol, but I do love a good hand analysis debate regardless. Nice hands.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

APA do you bet turn with overpairs for value there?

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I bet turn with pretty much my whole range, betting smaller with nutty hands and larger with draws/bluffs. Villains 3bet% means I'm happy 4b/calling TT+ so the only overpairs I'd have in this spot would be 77/88/99 which I'm happy betting just to fold villain out without worrying too much about losing value.

EDIT - Hand 1 I mean if you're betting flop then c/f then you're throwing money away so you have to triple barrel imo

AlwaysPlanAhe said:

I bet turn with pretty much my whole range, betting smaller with nutty hands and larger with draws/bluffs. Villains 3bet% means I'm happy 4b/calling TT+ so the only overpairs I'd have in this spot would be 77/88/99 which I'm happy betting just to fold villain out without worrying too much about losing value.

EDIT - Hand 1 I mean if you're betting flop then c/f then you're throwing money away so you have to triple barrel imo

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dunno, im prob 4b calling TT+ AQ+ OOP more than IP which means my flatting range is stronger.

and I think i'm somewhat balanced here vs air heavy ranges flatting AA/KK in this spot so I can have strong pairs here too.

thats not to say that villain knows this though.

on Hand 1, its deffo a leak of mine.. cbetting flops with no equity and giving up when called.

x/f seems weak and we only get Qx to fold turns.. tripling 100% still seems spewy though.

ramdeebam said:

Sorry- I edited post - I meant raise the flop. I don't mind floating such a wet board IP, but I think you have to always fire every turn when checked to you as when you check back you rep such a weak range yourself. I prefer raising the flop purely because, we have postion and when he flats we're so confident we can get him of any hand when the turn comes any club or any low card or actually any card for that matter. It sets up nicely for a turn bet and big river bet/shove we can expect to get a ton of folds on.

Hand 1: I'd of thought the turn is a great card for villian, as opposed to us. It completes more of his range than yours and it really doesn't discourage him calling down hands he called with on the flop. The same goes for the river, if he has Qx on the fop; he doesn't call the turn to fold the river bet. It also gives him a great opportunity to raise every turn.

Of course this is my opinion so likely be on my own here lol, but I do love a good hand analysis debate regardless. Nice hands.

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I don't think my range is weak here but meh.. I play AA probably the exact same except I bet a little small OTR.

on Hand 1.. the turn gives me more equity since my UTG opening range is way wider than his calling range in this spot + his flop calling range.

if i'm barrelling gutshots with a BD club then this turn gives me a load of 2 pairs, pairs + gutshots/+FD's and the odd straight.

same is true for villain but less so imo since he never has like Q9s and shit here.

what would he raise the turn with here? all of his hands have SD except gutshot floats like 5% of the time, i'm b/f most of my range on this turn admittedly so him raising a value hand is retarded.

lol debates.

hands duggs is kinda bad spot really since you only rep 33/22/99/KK/K9/AA/AK. which i think makes our range more air heavy

like the fold in deco, KQ and AQss turn up aswell

I think I rep more in Duggs since his range is pretty much all PP's, KTs+ TT+ is a value bet on the turn imo but he's gonna call anyway, its the river I think he folds on a lot and if I had TT+ its probably a smaller bet for thin value.

river was just kinda wtf since what reg ever x/c leads then turn with PFR?

why do people post on hands I posted ages ago lol, like wait until I stick a next bunch on and post on the ones I did like a week before its confusing haha.

also guys i'm probably grinding some more later today so prepare for more hands/spew!

i was away for the weekend, only just noticed them

Just check back on the river in the AQ hand. Don't think he folds anything that beats you and he certainly doesn't call worse.

WVHillbilly said:

Just check back on the river in the AQ hand. Don't think he folds anything that beats you and he certainly doesn't call worse.

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this sounds good, but i think fold flop without reads

acky100 said:

this sounds good, but i think fold flop without reads

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Hadn't even noticed the flop action but I agree.