hey, i'm 9k. #3

duggs · May 19, 2013

hand 1 seems fine.
hand 2, 3 handed can we get that in? bit of a zero shove but whatevs, im defending it a bunch tho i think rather than 3betting.

OMGITSOVER9K · May 19, 2013

oh PT4 doesnt post it up here.

his f3b was like 40% + we're 3 handed so I think he defends pretty wide so yeah, depolarised 3b pre.

the thing is his 4b was 33% over 6 samples and because of the 3 handed thing I think he 4bets a lot of bluffs here.

I'm not shoving for value or anything, I just think folding here seems a bit meh, we can't call so we're left with 5b bluff shove AJo lol -.-

the 4b size is a worry though, regs are still unbalanced with their sizing (well the bad ones) so I kinda feel like he has the nuts here?

duggs · May 19, 2013

im really not the guy to ask about 4bet sizing without antes and 100bb deep, but yea ship it in

hackmeplz · May 19, 2013

AJ gotta be a fold to that sizing imo

Matt Vaughan · May 19, 2013

I really doubt he 2.7x's it with bluffs, kinda like you said. I don't mind the 3bet pre for reasons you mentioned - not folding to enough 3bets, but when he 4bets it like this, I think we just have to let it go and wait for a better spot.

You could be right and this could be a marginally +EV spot, but even when we're right it's gonna be super close to 0 EV, and when we're wrong we're just hemorrhaging money.

dj11 · May 20, 2013

KJ hand, the flop gets me out of that hand almost always.

AJ hand, its 3 hands and all that looks good to me if holding AJo..IMO, the most important part of that hand is that it IS 3 handed.

On the AKs hand you bet as if it is impossible for villain to have hearts? Flop action, to me, screams that there is a nut/2nd nut flush draw and a real flush already and you jam? Prefer the come along approach myself, in one of my crazy 'put myself in a position to get lucky' moods. Chalk that win up to luck over skill.

OMGITSOVER9K · May 21, 2013

looked at my db for the month, won like 1/15 flips.. I know, lol sample size but seriously wtf?!

anyway, couple spots:

PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: €20.27 (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 6.60, 3Bet Preflop: 0.76, Hands: 311)
CO: €42.77 (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
Hero (BTN): €50.00
SB: €51.50 (VPIP: 24.68, PFR: 19.91, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 474)
BB: €51.50 (VPIP: 22.03, PFR: 17.18, 3Bet Preflop: 8.99, Hands: 235)
UTG: €20.50 (VPIP: 11.99, PFR: 10.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.82, Hands: 906)

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has Q:diamond: A:heart:

UTG raises to €1.25, fold, fold, Hero calls €1.25, fold, BB raises to €4.00, fold, Hero calls €2.75

Flop: (€9.50, 2 players) 6:club: Q:club: 6:diamond: BB bets €3.50, Hero calls €3.50

Turn%s: (€16.50, 2 players) 3:diamond: BB bets €6.25, Hero calls €6.25

River%s: (€29.00, 2 players) K:heart: BB bets €9.25, Hero calls €9.25

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PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €98.37
Hero (SB): €54.54
BB: €50.42 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 42)
UTG: €50.00 (VPIP: 18.35, PFR: 14.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.19, Hands: 223)
MP: €95.50 (VPIP: 42.74, PFR: 19.66, 3Bet Preflop: 5.77, Hands: 120)
CO: €57.64 (VPIP: 27.52, PFR: 22.85, 3Bet Preflop: 10.12, Hands: 417)

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has Q:club: Q:spade:

fold, MP raises to €1.50, fold, BTN calls €1.50, Hero raises to €6.50, fold, MP raises to €95.50 and is all-in, fold, Hero?

^ important to note that BTN is 200bb deep with main villain and he still ships 200bb.

grandpajesse · May 21, 2013

OMGITSOVER9K said:
yayy attention!

flop was a spazz, turn?

PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €39.60 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
SB: €69.92 (VPIP: 24.64, PFR: 19.14, 3Bet Preflop: 5.84, Hands: 431)
BB: €53.52 (VPIP: 22.30, PFR: 18.05, 3Bet Preflop: 8.76, Hands: 580)
Hero (CO): €50.00

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 5♥ 6♥

Hero raises to €1.25, fold, SB calls €1.00, fold

Flop: (€3.00, 2 players) 5♦ J♣ 9♥
SB bets €1.50, Hero raises to €4.50, SB calls €3.00

Turn: (€12.00, 2 players) Q♥
SB checks, Hero?

Villian is 3 betting 6% over a decent sample size. OTT, I think a fold is absurd. I think villain either flopped 2 pair or turned combo draws like 99% of the time here. He may well have flopped 2 pair, and is hoping you turned Q with KQ. Your never behind here. He flopped or turned a hand that has a weighted equity of 15-20%. If you think he turned a FD + draw then you could call and let him bluff the river if he misses; or just call if a big scare card hits. I personally like to jam the turn. You would be surprised what calls you. I guess K10 is a smi bluff that he has a small % of the time. You still have redraw equity, Ship the turn.

OMGITSOVER9K · May 22, 2013

I'm not good enough to beat 50 anymore, I'm done.

Cafeman · May 22, 2013

You moving up to 100 then, or is this rage quit #57?

It could be worse, I can't beat €3 HUSNGs!

OMGITSOVER9K · May 22, 2013

rage quit #57

ScottishMatt · May 22, 2013

You got a graph 9k?

I feel like looking at it might cheer me up somewhat, if you don't mind.

WVHillbilly · May 22, 2013

Looking forward to "It's 9k again #4" thread.

OMGITSOVER9K · May 22, 2013

the graph isnt bad at all, its like -10bi over 5k hands or something. i'm over-reacting, but I don't want to play and every session is like -2bi, last time this happened it was a 1.5k downswing and almost went broke..

Matt Vaughan · May 22, 2013

Hey just be happy it's not live.

Anyway, hand 1, the river is pretty bizarre, cause he either double barrelled and hit the king and went for thin value, or he's triple barreling on a pretty decent card. Since if he's even capable of double barreling that spot he can almost certainly triple barrel when the K peels off, I think I have to call. Kind of gross and I think it's only marginally +EV but I think it's ok?

Hand 2, if you haven't seen him AIPF yet, I think this might be a fold? It's so gross when he ships it so huge cause even though we're only 100 deep with him there's just not enough out there to be excited getting it in against AK/KK+.

OMGITSOVER9K · May 23, 2013

This is why I can't have a positive red line, no-one folds and when I triple..

-2bi in 8 mins.

PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €42.03 (VPIP: 45.64, PFR: 32.45, 3Bet Preflop: 10.11, Hands: 509)
Hero (BB): €50.00
CO: €40.34 (VPIP: 35.33, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 9.21, Hands: 191)
BTN: €67.60 (VPIP: 32.52, PFR: 26.83, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 128)

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A:heart: J:diamond:

CO calls €0.50, fold, SB calls €0.25, Hero raises to €2.25, CO calls €1.75, fold

Flop: (€5.00, 2 players) 4:diamond: K:spade: 7:diamond: Hero bets €3.00, CO calls €3.00

Turn%s: (€11.00, 2 players) T:heart: Hero bets €7.50, CO calls €7.50

River%s: (€26.00, 2 players) 2:heart: Hero bets €28.00, CO calls €27.59 and is all-in

Hero shows A:heart: J:diamond: (High Card, Ace) (Pre 47%, Flop 5%, Turn 9%)
CO shows 4:heart: 4:spade: (Three of a Kind, Fours) (Pre 53%, Flop 95%, Turn 91%)
CO wins €79.93

duggs · May 23, 2013

bluff cooler it happens

Matt Vaughan · May 23, 2013

Pre-spoiler: Should we really be triple barreling such a passive player? Idk if 50 is different, but I wouldn't expect to get such a passive player to fold anything but flush draws on the river?

Post-spoiler: Sucks. I was expecting some janky Kx - I'm kind of shocked he doesn't raise the turn.

dj11 · May 23, 2013

Scourrge said:
I'm kind of shocked he doesn't raise the turn.

He doesn't raise cause he knows he has a big fish on the hook. Big grinning laughing smily here, but they don't work.

JOEBOB69 · May 23, 2013

hehehehe
Edit: what duggs said line looks good to me.

acky100 · May 23, 2013

Scourrge said:
Pre-spoiler: Should we really be triple barreling such a passive player? Idk if 50 is different, but I wouldn't expect to get such a passive player to fold anything but flush draws on the river?

Post-spoiler: Sucks. I was expecting some janky Kx - I'm kind of shocked he doesn't raise the turn.

i agree, i don't know if im behind on some strat or common knowledge that fish fold to 3 barrels a lot here but in my head its a sketchy bluff

JOEBOB69 · May 23, 2013

acky100 said:
i agree, i don't know if im behind on some strat or common knowledge that fish fold to 3 barrels a lot here but in my head its a sketchy bluff

Well you have to fire on that turn. C/f river seems so weak imo,but i don't know.

Matt Vaughan · May 23, 2013

Not about "weak move" vs. "strong move" here, it's about whether the bluff is +EV. The turn bet can be +EV without the triple barrel being the same imo. His range starts to weigh more and more to made hands the further along the hand gets.

JOEBOB69 · May 24, 2013

Weak move might have been the wrong way to word it. With villains stats ~35/7 a made hand has a different meaning vs this fish. I would say this fish might call a flop,and a turn bet with a 4 or a 7. Plus with all the flush/st8 draws. I just believe vs this player there is still way more 4's,7's,draws,then there are K's,sets etc.

OMGITSOVER9K · May 24, 2013

rage snap withdrew and now I cant cancel it, so gonna be out for a few days.

can someone just slap me irl and get me to man up, its only a 10bi downswing.. shit happens

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