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Message: [QUOTE="twizzybop, post: 401321, member: 2990"] Or do they gamble cause either they have no clue or don't care to know even the simple basics? Hand #1... Guy has 2 over cards to come on the turn. The simple 4 rule says is to take your outs which at this point is 6 outs, now multiply that by 4 is 24, making that 24% to get 1 of those over cards. Now a pot bet is only 2:1 to against a 24% to hit. Now the turn card does help him more to hit his hand. However it only gives him 7 more outs cause one of those clubs is an ace. Now we have 13 outs on the simple 2 rule that says on the turn to multiply by 2 equals 26%. So again its a 2:1 call on a 26% to hit. I said simple which means I forgot the +1.. but the % is close enough for simplicity. Granted at times one must throw odds out the window, probably in such a need as this guy around mid/late tourney. Just want to show that odds and %'s need to be thought of carefully. If they aren't, the long run. You are going to be losing out. Yes before anything is said.. I wanted a caller here with my overbet pre-flop raise. Stage #402998019 Tourney ID 1138896 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $100 - 2006-05-17 10:15:07 (ET) Table: 41 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer Seat 1 - TWIZZYBOP ($34932.50 in chips) Seat 2 - CHRILLE_FTW ($6555 in chips) Seat 3 - NASCAR12FANN ($4030 in chips) Seat 4 - ME_LOVES_JEZ ($2855 in chips) Seat 5 - SHERI70 ($450 in chips) Seat 6 - LUKE HAYES ($18002.50 in chips) Seat 8 - MRFIXET ($13520 in chips) Seat 9 - KHARDY ($14435 in chips) SHERI70 - Posts small blind $100 LUKE HAYES - Posts big blind $200 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to TWIZZYBOP [Jh Js] MRFIXET - Folds KHARDY - Calls $200 TWIZZYBOP - Raises $2000 to $2000 CHRILLE_FTW - Folds NASCAR12FANN - Folds ME_LOVES_JEZ - Folds SHERI70 - Folds LUKE HAYES - Folds KHARDY - Calls $1800 *** FLOP *** [2c 8h 7c] KHARDY - Checks TWIZZYBOP - Bets $4800 KHARDY - Calls $4800 *** TURN *** [2c 8h 7c] [COLOR=black]8♣[/COLOR] KHARDY - Checks TWIZZYBOP - Bets $8000 KHARDY - All-In $7635 TWIZZYBOP - returned ($365) : not called *** RIVER *** [2c 8h 7c 8c] [COLOR=black]5♣[/COLOR] *** SHOW DOWN *** TWIZZYBOP - Shows [Jh Js] (Two Pair, jacks and eights) KHARDY - Shows [Kc As] (Flush, king high) KHARDY Collects $29170 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($29170) Board [2c 8h 7c 8c 5c] Seat 1: TWIZZYBOP HI:lost with Two Pair, jacks and eights [Jh Js - P:Js,P:Jh,B:8h,B:8c,B:7c] Seat 2: CHRILLE_FTW Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 3: NASCAR12FANN Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 4: ME_LOVES_JEZ (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 5: SHERI70 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 6: LUKE HAYES (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 8: MRFIXET Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 9: KHARDY won Total ($29170) All-In HI:($29170) with Flush, king high [Kc As - P:Kc,B:8c,B:7c,B:5c,B:2c] Hand #2 is a better example of knowing and learning more about your odds and %'s. Now I also wanted a caller here as well. However there was really nothing this guy could chase. 3 cards to come.. on a 2:1 bet.. so 3 X 4 on the flop is 12% all the way down to the river. Now even throwing the odds out the window and just gambling. I am sure most everyone would not gamble thier whole stack against 12%. Now the 12% is all the way down, meaning it is split by the turn and the river card. Making each just 6% chance each to hit on each spot. Again just showing the simplistic of the 4 and 2. If you can multiply you can at least do your % of hitting your hand when you are behind in the hand. So if you want to analize my play, don't mind anymore(can never stop learning from any mistakes one makes). Just want to say there are times like the 1st hand yes you can gamble and take a chance, even though the chances are a little higher then the 2nd hand. However just try to remember at least your %'s and odds when you are playing. Stage #403002062 Tourney ID 1138896 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $100 - 2006-05-17 10:23:55 (ET) Table: 109 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer Seat 1 - PUNKER62 ($42957.50 in chips) Seat 2 - TWIZZYBOP ($19597.50 in chips) Seat 3 - MEESTERCHIPS ($5150 in chips) Seat 4 - URIAH_HEEP ($5260 in chips) Seat 5 - RLB1203 ($16050 in chips) Seat 6 - HMCSHUNTER ($27560 in chips) Seat 7 - GARY69C ($28465 in chips) Seat 8 - EMAJONASHON2 ($19835 in chips) Seat 9 - GAMBLERETTE4 ($1360 in chips) HMCSHUNTER - Posts small blind $100 GARY69C - Posts big blind $200 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to TWIZZYBOP [Qs Qd] EMAJONASHON2 - Folds GAMBLERETTE4 - Folds PUNKER62 - Calls $200 TWIZZYBOP - Raises $3800 to $3800 MEESTERCHIPS - Folds URIAH_HEEP - Folds RLB1203 - Folds HMCSHUNTER - Folds GARY69C - Folds PUNKER62 - Calls $3600 *** FLOP *** [8d Js 6c] PUNKER62 - Checks TWIZZYBOP - All-In $15797.50 PUNKER62 - Calls $15797.50 *** TURN *** [8d Js 6c] [COLOR=red]7♦[/COLOR] *** RIVER *** [8d Js 6c 7d] [COLOR=black]A♣[/COLOR] *** SHOW DOWN *** PUNKER62 - Shows [As 10s] (One pair, aces) TWIZZYBOP - Shows [Qs Qd] (One pair, queens) PUNKER62 Collects $39495 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($39495) Board [8d Js 6c 7d Ac] Seat 1: PUNKER62 won Total ($39495) HI:($39495) with One pair, aces [As 10s - P:As,B:Ac,B:Js,P:10s,B:8d] Seat 2: TWIZZYBOP HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qs Qd - P:Qs,P:Qd,B:Ac,B:Js,B:8d] Seat 3: MEESTERCHIPS Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 4: URIAH_HEEP Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 5: RLB1203 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 6: HMCSHUNTER (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 7: GARY69C (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 8: EMAJONASHON2 Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 9: GAMBLERETTE4 Folded on the POCKET CARDS [/QUOTE]

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