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Message: [QUOTE="twizzybop, post: 401525, member: 2990"] [B]If you'd read what I wrote I said.. and I quote:[/B] Yes I read it perfectly and if you read what you also said "You forgot to add the part of you and the villian played it very bad" Actually I didn't... I made sure the bet(s) as strong as they may be were incorrect odds to call. I want donks, those who don't wish or care to learn the simplistics about odds and %'s calling against me. Even in the other specified hold-em games that were mentioned. I want those to make these calls. I played limit again the other day,, SB with Q,10 off suit.. Flopped the nut straight of J,K,A rainbow.. well me and this one other guy capped the betting off while another just kept calling us. I automatically thought a set not that splitting a straight would be a bad thing. Turn came no help for nobody and again we capped with the other just calling. River came another J.. so this time I just check/called to find out if I was corrrect. I was which he had a fullhouse KK's over JJ's. No matter what happened in that hand, he wasn't going to fold the 2nd best hand until the river card. Brings an interesting point.. flopping a set vs a flopped straight or flush. Odds tell you that you are behind no matter what. Yet depending on the type of hold-em game you are in, how far is one willing to go with that set vs straight or flush? Now back to the supposive pot commited.. Hand #1 Guy calls bet an 1/7th of his chip stack.. Nothing hit on the flop and now he is behind to my pair. Now I bet 4800 and he has to call 1/3 of his stack in hopes of hitting 24% chance. Still leaving him with more then 10X Big Blinds to keep playing. So the pot committed/married to the pot syndrome is a poor excuse to call on the turn. #2 Heck no such thing as pot commited here. Knowing full well he was behind even if perhaps I did pair the Jack. He had only 3 outs to win...Willing to take a crippling blow down to 21,000 and putting me well out ahead as chip leader at the table. There is a diffrence here from playing smart instead of hoping,wishing, getting lucky to win. [/QUOTE]

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