Moving on up, Cash Game Thread

[IPlay]

set of jacks, 9s which definetly in his range.

QT

monster draws are close.

I just feel your getting called when beat, and most people are folding when behind.

I think sets raise flop on this board, it smashes my range and is draw heavy. QT is possible but so is K9 and KJ and other hands like top pair with a gutshot that want to see a cheap river. This is a fish here, he is not folding as much as you think.

 

[Aces2w1n]

I edited my post

 

[IPlay]

I edited my post

Same reply, against a reg I never raise here but I will raise against a fish for thin value. Is that flawed? This villain type will also show up with draws sometimes but not often with his turn minraise

 

[Aces2w1n]

the flaw is there is no value and you think there was.

we can agree to disagree.

 

[IPlay]

the flaw is there is no value and you think there was.

we can agree to disagree.

I mean, I'm not exactly disagreeing with you. Just talking through and explaining thought process. He did show up with Q10 here and river brought in a flush and he checked back. Idk why he doesn't jam turn but eh. I suppose the point of the hand was what is he min raising turn with and is there value in repopping it against a fish. I don't think villain is ever folding turn BUT is he raising only Top Two or better? Probably the case.

 

[Aces2w1n]

I mean, I'm not exactly disagreeing with you. Just talking through and explaining thought process. He did show up with Q10 here and river brought in a flush and he checked back. Idk why he doesn't jam turn but eh. I suppose the point of the hand was what is he min raising turn with and is there value in repopping it against a fish. I don't think villain is ever folding turn BUT is he raising only Top Two or better? Probably the case.

I believe top 2 or better.

I guess another question is.

1. Player on tilt?

2. How wide has he been turning up? His sample side doesn't justify a proper read yet.

Your right though some players will just turn up with trash but it's generally the ones who just shove anyway not min raise.

Some people will shove with Ax hands but this type of board it just is very unlikely.

ohh also it's a 2pair HAND! haha I been making a note on these cuz they never hold up on a wet board.

 

[IPlay]

Haha yeah, we were just talking about these hands too

One big thing though, its rare I get over 50 hands played against a fish on these anonymous tables so I need to work quickly against them and squeeze out value where I can with little to no reads.

So never expect a big sample size is one of my post

 

[IPlay]

1st hand villain plays and he post UTG +1. I semi bluff flop with 2 overs and BD flush draw thinking I am going to get a lot of folds and I'm obviously barreling turn when I turn a flush draw.

Question is, when I spike king on river am I value betting it?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 125.2 BB (VPIP: 67.74, PFR: 25.81, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 31)
Hero (BB): 163.6 BB
UTG: 1.8 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 30 BB
BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 26.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 50)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K:spade: J:heart:

fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 5:club: 3:spade: T:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, CO calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.4 BB, 2 players) 7:spade:
Hero bets 7.4 BB, CO calls 7.4 BB

River: (27.2 BB, 2 players) K:heart:

Hero ??? (About 17BB effective)

 

[Mr Sandbag]

As played I'd def bet river for value.

But idk why we are "obviously" barreling turn. The point of semi bluffing is to get folds, but it's unlikely villain is calling a flop c/r and folding that turn.

Also, I don't really like c/r flop. We're not really repping anything unless you're also c/r sets and even one pair hands.

 

[duggs]

in

 

[IPlay]

As played I'd def bet river for value.

But idk why we are "obviously" barreling turn. The point of semi bluffing is to get folds, but it's unlikely villain is calling a flop c/r and folding that turn.

Also, I don't really like c/r flop. We're not really repping anything unless you're also c/r sets and even one pair hands.

Really? I feel like I see people calling wet flop raises somewhat often and folding when the draw gets there. I agree I don't rep a ton but villain posted dead, min raised pre and min bet the flop. I think he has air very often and is just folding, also probably not thinking one bit about what I am repping.

Am I flawed in this thinking?

 

[IPlay]

Just ended a little session, tonight I start putting in some serious volume now that this holiday and work stretch is coming to an end. Played about 1k hands last two days.

Start: $97.01 End: $111.72

Hopefully I can take some shots at 10NL by Sunday but we will see how nice variance is. Thanks for the replies guys

 

[IPlay]

Running pretty bad so far tonight came across this hand

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 97.6 BB
SB: 225.6 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BB: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 110.4 BB (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
MP: 79 BB (VPIP: 73.58, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 54)
CO: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:spade:

fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 12.4 BB, SB raises to 26.8 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 14.4 BB

Flop: (59.6 BB, 2 players) 6:spade: 4:club: T:diamond:
SB bets 66.6 BB, Hero ???

Yeah yeah yeah I started the hand short but no auto top up and blinds just passed

 

[MinhANguyen]

Running pretty bad so far tonight came across this hand

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 97.6 BB
SB: 225.6 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BB: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 110.4 BB (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
MP: 79 BB (VPIP: 73.58, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 54)
CO: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q<font color='red'>♦</font> Q<font color='black'>♠</font>

fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 12.4 BB, SB raises to 26.8 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 14.4 BB

Flop: (59.6 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♠</font> 4<font color='black'>♣</font> T<font color='red'>♦</font>
SB bets 66.6 BB, Hero ???

Yeah yeah yeah I started the hand short but no auto top up and blinds just passed

I think readless and at the micros, folding QQ to a 4-bet, especially a cold 4-bet, is fine. A 4-bet range is almost always KK or AA. With QQ or AK, most people at the micros want to see a flop when facing a 3-bet. Unless you have some history that villain is a maniac, a 3-bet fold QQ is perfectly fine at the micros. If anything, you're saving yourself a lot of money. Also here SB's PFR less than 9% and has a very high VPIP, which means he's very passive. He's never getting out of line here, and his 4-bet range crushes QQ.

 

[IPlay]

Got to agree with you, he for sure seems like the villain that would flat AK here. I got to admit his flop overbet almost leveled me into calling. Do you think this is an outright preflop fold or are you calling 14bbs with position and a pretty much guaranteed stack if we hit?

 

[IPlay]

Ran bad, played my C game. Spewed off 2 stacks for some reason BUT showed a profit

+$6.21 and about 1100 hands

 

[Aces2w1n]

whats ur roll

 

[IPlay]

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 47.2 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 30)
CO: 103 BB (VPIP: 32.65, PFR: 22.45, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 49)
BTN: 83.2 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 19.15, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 47)
SB: 298.6 BB (VPIP: 78.95, PFR: 23.68, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 40)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 57.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8:club: 8:heart:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, CO calls 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB

Flop: (39 BB, 3 players) J:diamond: J:heart: J:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 20.4 BB, CO calls 20.4 BB, fold

Turn: (79.8 BB, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero checks, CO raises to 69.6 BB and is all-in, Hero ???

Steal% 50, FCB% 33. CO Raise %, 40

 

[IPlay]

Fist pump call or sigh call? Don't think we are ever folding?

Aces, roll is like $110 or so atm

 

[MinhANguyen]

Got to agree with you, he for sure seems like the villain that would flat AK here. I got to admit his flop overbet almost leveled me into calling. Do you think this is an outright preflop fold or are you calling 14bbs with position and a pretty much guaranteed stack if we hit?

Yeah I think it should just be a snap fold. We shouldn't feel too bad about it. We don't have anywhere near the implied odds, and we won't always win when we do make a set.

 

[MinhANguyen]

Fist pump call or sigh call? Don't think we are ever folding?

Aces, roll is like $110 or so atm

Don't squeeze pre. Flop could go check-call or check-fold based on bet sizing in a single raised pot. And smallish pocket pairs lose a lot of value in a 3-bet pot. If you don't flop a set, you're bluffing with very little equity. And you won't always get paid off when you do flop a set. Would rather 3-bet with holdings that allow you to barrel with equity. This is a good squeeze though if both players have super high Fv3B, but at the micros, it's super unlikely (trust me on this one)!

Maybe I might be a nit but as played, I just fold. It's not too likely the CO is FOS here, as he shouldn't really be floating here, as the SB is still to act behind him. Your betting into two other people also looks really strong. But who knows. This is 5NL, and his stats are a bit fishy. In-game I might be tempted to call, but would probably end up folding.

 

[IPlay]

yeah, I did want to flat pre to set mine vs these two players BUT I also thought I have the best hand here alot and they have a lot of junk they are going to fold and 88 OOP isn't the easiest to play.

I think both plays have merits but set mining probably is best.

Check/folding just feels so gross on turn and he has only folded ~30% to cbets so I see him shoving some bluffs that he floated and all smaller pocket pairs that put me on overcards when I check turn.

Welp, just got runnered runnered by a big fish that hasn't been folding where I over bet all 3 streets and he shoved for a little more on river and I was never folding. He runner runner'd a straight vs my flopped set for about 160bbs, I'm off for the night. Going to hit up some 1/2 at the Casino, should be an alright night since it is a holiday weekend here in the states.

 

[MinhANguyen]

yeah, I did want to flat pre to set mine vs these two players BUT I also thought I have the best hand here alot and they have a lot of junk they are going to fold and 88 OOP isn't the easiest to play.

I think both plays have merits but set mining probably is best.

Check/folding just feels so gross on turn and he has only folded ~30% to cbets so I see him shoving some bluffs that he floated and all smaller pocket pairs that put me on overcards when I check turn.

Welp, just got runnered runnered by a big fish that hasn't been folding where I over bet all 3 streets and he shoved for a little more on river and I was never folding. He runner runner'd a straight vs my flopped set for about 160bbs, I'm off for the night. Going to hit up some 1/2 at the Casino, should be an alright night since it is a holiday weekend here in the states.

Yeah, being OOP always sucks. You can easily get bluffed off the best hand, and when you do have the best hand, it's easy for villain IP to realize all of his equity and catch his turn or river card. And at the micros, I'd stick to premiums for 3-betting, especially OOP. They will flat and overcall your 3-bets with junk at a very high frequency. And bluffing them with little equity is kind of lighting money on fire. And yeah fish love chasing those draws, especially at 5NL and 10NL. It's so little money that they'll chase all the way down, regardless of pot odds. Good luck at your 1/2 play! I don't know how i could ever transition to live play: 30 hands per hour vs 600 online! Of course, live is so much easier to beat, but volume is a big problem.

 

[IPlay]

1/2 went OK, only played for about 3 hours and was pretty card dead. The game was insane, uncapped 1/2 with average stack of 500-600. I was the shortest stack at 300 but the game was playing like 2/5 and very gambly and I don't have the roll to sustain variance in a game like that so I didn't stay long. I would of loved to play all night, but roll won't let me stay in a game like that. I left up one dollar. Seriously, one dollar. About volume when it comes to live play, the poor play for sure makes up for it considering the stakes. I can make $15+/hour live pretty easy(maybe even more now that I have been working on my game alot) Games are slow though and variance can be rough since a 2,500 hand downswing is 100 hours so almost a months play which is brutal. I wish I was still able to grind live but the area that I live in is not very good for that. The card room is small and there is really only action on Saturdays. During the week I'd rather grind online because tables are kind of nitty for live games.

On the plus side I came home and had a little online session of about 450 hands, 3 tabling 5nl and one table of 10nl and made some profit, about $23 to be exact.

Roll is at $133.00 exactly

No real interesting hands but should I raise this river or am I not really getting called by worse anyway?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 75.8 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 34.6 BB
CO: 60.2 BB
BTN: 97.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2:heart: A:heart:

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (3 BB, 3 players) 6:heart: 3:spade: A:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, UTG calls 2 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Turn: (9 BB, 3 players) 2:diamond:
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, UTG calls 5 BB

River: (24 BB, 3 players) 8:diamond:
SB bets 1 BB, Hero ???

 

[IPlay]

I suppose if I raise the above hand anywhere it should be turn? These, call flop then donk lines always freeze me up and I suppose a draw did get there.