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Message: [QUOTE="John A, post: 2147905, member: 88730"] Gotcha... so basically you've been saying X player opens 25% of his range from Y position. And from that 25% you're trying to fit that to how it hits the flop, is that correct? If so, more or less X% of hands in relation to the flop isn't a static process. You kind of throw out most of what you would consider a normal opening range at say 25% from Y position. It's something you use as a guide to begin constructing a range, but the issue always is, you don't know what 25% that actually is, and you don't know when and if your opponent has deviated from his standard opening range. So you'd take a certain percentage of hands you know someone would open as a base, such as: Ace Poker Drills [URL="http://acepokerdrills.com"]Poker Equity Calculator[/URL] Board: [ 22+(100), AJo+(100), ATs+(100), KJo+(100), KJs+(100), QJo(100), QJs(100) ] Then you're adding and removing some of the other hands, like 78o, 65s, etc... based on the flop texture and how they are playing the hand. So if someone is opening 25% of hands and we see a flop of: 5h7c9h We start with the above range and a common 25% opening, but once they c-bet (lets say they are OOP), assuming they are competent we'd eliminate some of the Ax hands from their range. Once you get to the turn, if they bet again, then you're narrowing the range that much further and shifting what might have been your original 25% opening range to have included more 79o, 57s, and 57o hands, draws, etc... which wouldn't be in a typical 25% opening range. The opening range is primarily only helpful in determining if you should be flatting or 3-betting and so on. Once you get to the flop and turn, even someone who is tight, say 16% opening, can have the same range in the above example as someone who is opening 25 or 30%. It will help to some degree with postflop range construction, but the problem always is that you don't know when someone is deviating from an "acceptable" X% of hands as an opening range to include hands you wouldn't normally include in that initial range. Hopefully my assumption on your question was correct. :) [/QUOTE]

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