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[QUOTE="LD1977, post: 2152735, member: 93289"] Yeah I have trouble with putting LAPs on a range since they are often actually well balanced... they just call down with pretty much anything and only if they raise I know I am screwed. Also I have seen a few better (?) ones play consistent sizing when donking regardless of hand strength (from MPMK to flopped straight/full house). Basically if I am trying to value bet however the board develops SOME kind of draw arrived (gutshots being super frequent means I can't simply reduce their possible ranges to FDs and OESDs) and also since they call down any PP a turned/rivered set is always a possibility. It is a freaking nightmare. TAGs and nits are usually super easy to put on a very narrow range of hands based on their actions and sometimes bet sizing (some have sizing tells). They float IP sometimes but on the turn their hand is very well defined if I fired the 2nd barrel. I usually know exactly if I am ahead or behind and often their exact hand. One thing I am having trouble with is how to deduce if someone is bluffing based on their AF/AF% stats. I bluff quite a bit and my AF is pretty small (2.5) but I have found people with AF < 3 almost never bluff!? Granted, I do fold a lot of weak made hands especially OOP (instead of "donking for info") so maybe that is the reason - I substitute weak made hands with opportunistic bluffing. My worst weaknesses are: 1) Playing overpairs/TPTK hands, they just get sucked out on nonstop regardless of pot odds and such. Maybe I am being too aggro with them but how can I not be when this is a standard hand (I always think [U][B]eventually[/B][/U] I am actually going to win): [spoiler] Hero (MP1) ($10.74) MP2 ($9.08) MP3 ($6.32) CO ($13.36) Button ($6.51) SB ($11.22) BB ($8.08) UTG ($13.42) UTG+1 ($7.49) [B]Preflop[/B]: Hero is MP1 with Q[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif[/IMG], A[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif[/IMG] [COLOR=#666666][I]2 folds[/I][/COLOR], [COLOR=#CC3333]Hero raises to $0.40[/COLOR], [COLOR=#666666][I]3 folds[/I][/COLOR], Button calls $0.40, [COLOR=#666666][I]1 fold[/I][/COLOR], BB calls $0.30 [B]Flop[/B]: ($1.25) 9[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif[/IMG], A[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif[/IMG], 10[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif[/IMG] [COLOR=#009B00](3 players)[/COLOR] [COLOR=#CC3333]BB bets $0.10[/COLOR], [COLOR=#CC3333]Hero raises to $0.90[/COLOR], Button calls $0.90, BB calls $0.80 [B]Turn[/B]: ($3.95) 6[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif[/IMG] [COLOR=#009B00](3 players)[/COLOR] [COLOR=#CC3333]BB bets $0.60[/COLOR], [COLOR=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3.30[/COLOR], [COLOR=#666666][I]1 fold[/I][/COLOR], BB calls $2.70 [B]River[/B]: ($10.55) 7[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif[/IMG] [COLOR=#009B00](2 players)[/COLOR] [COLOR=#CC3333]BB bets $0.60[/COLOR], [COLOR=#CC3333]Hero raises to $6.14 (All-In)[/COLOR], BB calls $2.88 (All-In) [B]Total pot:[/B] $17.51 [B]| Rake:[/B] $0.87 Results below: BB had 7[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif[/IMG], 10[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif[/IMG] (two pair, tens and sevens). Hero had Q[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif[/IMG], A[IMG]http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif[/IMG] (one pair, Aces). Outcome: BB won $16.64 I know this guy, he is an idiot but wins against me nonstop since my hands just don't hold up, like, ever (and not just weaksauce TP hands). BTW here I also have to dodge BTN who is also drawing to whatever caught his fancy. If I don't raise these weak blocker bets then I am NOT winning the hand vs 2 opponents, period. I might as well just start folding TPGK/TPTK/overpairs. Note that the board completed a backdoor straight, several sets and of course loads of bullshit 2 pair hands. All of that is in his range. I just know for a fact that his calling range is anything from air (draws) to any pair any kicker to any PP to absolute nuts. Oh yeah, if I shove flop like a maniac against this guy often he calls and I win with this approach (somehow that works, presumably because he has to put in the whole stack before he knows if he sucked out or not). But then everybody says I am an idiot and am losing value :D right, winning is bad. [/spoiler] 2) Paired boards - I historically suck horribly at these. I run into full houses with remarkable frequency but can't tell if I am doing it wrong or am just unlucky. John - Thanks, I really want to believe that one day I might succeed (for me that = win consistently at 25NL and preferably 50NL) :) it is unlikely that I will ever go broke since I am such a massive BR nit but stagnation also kind of sucks... I am at this for 7 months now and there have been lots of ups and downs (BR goes steadily up due to bonuses and good overall BR strategy). [/QUOTE]
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