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Message: [QUOTE="AlexTheOwl, post: 4015077, member: 269625"] Thanks for the response. I understand that you are trying to teach a person how to fish rather than giving them a fish, as the saying goes. But I have to confess that after reading your comment I wasn't sure "how to fish" according to your recommendations in this specific situation. And honestly I'm still not 100% sure. Are you agreeing with me and the poker consensus that c/c and c/f is the correct line here? I'm surprised to see that you think the hero is ahead for sure in equity. Villain has an overall PFR of 17. He raised UTG (narrowing his range), and called a large re-raise (narrowing his range further). What range are you giving the villain here that puts the hero ahead in equity on the flop? Are you giving him pairs lower than TT? Including KQ but not AJ? Or are you narrowing his range? If I narrow the villain's range to {AK,JJ+} I get 52% equity for the hero on the flop, still well short of the 66-60% range you suggest. . . . If it doesn't make sense to discuss overall equity when WA/WB, then does it make sense to put the villain on a range and count combinations? For {AQ+,TT+} I get 36 combinations that are way ahead of the hero (AA,AK,AQ,TT), and only 12 that are way behind the hero (QQ,JJ). If we go with {AK, JJ+} for the villain's range, the hero is now WA of 12 combinations and WB 9. As noted in my earlier comment, I think the villain's range likely contains AQ, and the hero is probably WB. . . . Regarding bluffs, I understand why it would be painful to be bluffed when the specific hand the villain holds is way behind. But thinking about ranges and combinations, if the villain here occasionally bluffs the hero with QQ or JJ, surely that is better than having the hero donating chips to the villain every time, IF the hero is more likely to be WB than WA? My instinct is that if I think I am probably WB, I can live with being bluffed occasionally when WA if that is what it takes to keep me from being a payoff monkey. But I'm mostly a tournament player online, and maybe that's tournament-style stack preservation thinking. If we believe we are likely to be WB, what concrete actions should we take to avoid being bluffed when WA? A flop c-bet may persuade the villain to fold instead of bluffing, but I'm not sure how to compare: - how much we save by preventing bluffs to - how much we lose by giving up additional chips when we are WB. [/QUOTE]

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