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[QUOTE="zachvac, post: 666224, member: 26306"]
lol, I think the problem is everyone's just looking too far into it. Nothing in this thread can be applied to improve anyone's play unless of course you are accustomed to holding onto AA with deep stacks on a non-pair board regardless of action. Then you can learn why that play is a bad one.

the 16:1 number (16.72:1 in my post), comes from the fact that the pot bet is 25, and the effective pot (knowing that will call all the way if we hit. THIS is the point people seem to be misunderstanding. I'm not saying we know that, I'm saying that if AA does go all the way, they made it so the 25 chip call was correct in this particular hand) is 418. 418:1 = 16.72:1

Your point about math is a good one, but the point is that this math is dependent on AA calling off his entire stack unimproved. If this guy called his entire stack when the other guy 2-paired, we know this to be the case. Therefore, if this particular hand played out a million times, the player with Q5, despite having mid pair vs. an over pair would win money, assuming he folds unimproved on the turn. So for this particular hand, the AA vs. Q5 with the board as I said it, the call was +ev with Q5. This does not mean that you should call here with Q5, it does not mean you should call with Q5 even after seeing your opponent has AA, it means that you should call with Q5 if you are positive that first of all 2-pair will win the hand and second of all your opponent will call off his entire stack unimproved.
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