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Message: [QUOTE="S3mper, post: 2401711, member: 97084"] Here is my opinion and I'm just going to say it and not trying to pick a fight with anyone this thread already has a stick up their bums lol There is obviously a cap on everything, No matter how hard I practice learn proper technique and work out I can only throw a football so far, I can only be so accurate. Just like the best Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers they have a cap there is only so far that they can achieve before they hit their cap. Their cap is just higher then most of the worlds.. Your cap depends on everything, Natural god or science (genes) given talent, nature, nurture, and how hard you practice, train, study, everything comes in to play even luck. To say some one can never be at the level of Phil Ivey is incorrect or badly worded it's more you can't be at that level without some natural talent to the game, Everyone has a cap it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reach the top because we will have a cap because we never truly know what our cap is before we give it our absolute all.. as Dugs said (I think it was Dugs) born with intellect is huge in poker as well and it's another thing that can't be achieved through hard work and studying no matter how hard I try I will never be as smart as Albert Einstein.. Some of the best were just born smart such as Phil Laak and Stu ungar known as the most amazing man to play poker he is just smart he was doing the books for his dad as a child... Can you reach the top without some sort of natural talent? I don't know Michael Jordan was told he would never be able to make the highschool basketball team so he got in the gym and trained... but at the same time Michael Jordan was tearing up JV for 80 points a game so he obviously had the talent... =o [/QUOTE]

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