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Message: [QUOTE="Big_Rudy, post: 1908156, member: 73333"] Actually, we're not all that far apart in our thinking. First off, yes, obviously different games/ different strategy/ different tactics. I DO dispute, however, that short-stackers cannot be successful while having a very limited understanding of the game. We've even had a few on here from time-to-time who were making considerable money and doing things like trying to make SNE on PS with a reasonable chance of actually making it. So some short-stackers can be, and are successful, while simply gutting much of the strategy from NL. Poker sites have realized this themselves and have, over time, increased the minimum buy-in amounts in many cases to try to remedy this situation. My bit about "understanding".... Yes I was referencing, specifically, math skills. I simply feel they are required more in any limited-betting type game, than they are in big bet poker. This difference, of course, is lessened as the stacks get deeper and deeper in NL. You reference, yourself, that SS can be successful, to a degree, because they "exploit the fact that many players at NL are not that strong mathematically". I agree. This was the crux of my arguement (at least that was my intent). It is possible to be a good, successful NL player and not be all that strong mathematically. Trying to achieve that at a limit game is suicide. Not to totally slag on NL. I actually enjoy the game. I simply feel it takes a different set of skills, and I, perhaps, incorrectly lumped limit and Nl together, under the banner "the game". Very roughly, and imo only, I think limit poker requires a better understanding of the game AS IT RELATES TO MATHEMATICS AND MATHEMATICAL PRINCIPLES. Further, I think, NL requires a different skill set entirely eg. bluffing, reading the other players (not talking about hands here, but psychology, etc). So, yes, different games; different skill-sets. When I said that I felt limit required a better understanding of the game; I was thinking purely in terms of mathematical awareness of the situation during game-play. As far as nl, I would say that I think it takes a greater amount of skill in a broad range of non-math related abilities, intangibles, if you will. [/QUOTE]

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