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Message: [QUOTE="Poker Orifice, post: 1535488, member: 33113"] OP, obviously the guy you're originally talking about (saying to just call with KK preflop in order to avoid an A flop) is a freak'n idiot. Sometimes we might 'call' with the big pr. but only if stack sizes warrant it as a trap in an effort to get all of the chips into the middle on the hand in question. We're obviously looking to get as many chips into the middle as possible in a spot like that... if a 3bet will induce a 4bet shove... then a 3bet it is (or if we feel he'll likely flat it out of position)... OR.. perhaps a shove will look weaker & thereby get us value from a hand that might not likely give us action if we 3bet (a 3bet might look particularly strong, especially if our stack size isn't very deep..say <25bb's)... the shove may 'look like' and AK or AQ hand and villain might be much more likely to call with med. pp's 77-TT (stuff he might fold depending upon stack sizes etc. if we were to 3bet). Of course this dipshit won't get/understand any of this stuff.... so when we're playing an idiot like this (sorry but I'm calling him an idiot... maybe not the best term to describe them?... although if he's arguing that 'calling w KK in order to avoid an A-flop'.. .then maybe it's the correct term for him?) we need to adjust our game..... we need to try to think about what they're thinking in the spot (it might not be the 'correct play' so to speak... but it might be 'very' correct considering the villain's level of thinking.. or lack of it more likely). Also, chatting them up, conversing over hands.... sure it's all good for info. No need to educate them though. This is -EV. (let them think they're right obv.). During breaks you might even approach them & ask them about a particular hand they played (looking for info.) but do so in a way that's stroking their ego a bit as it'll give you more info. as they'll likely want to boast about their 'expert play'... ie. "Well you see, I'm always only flat-calling there in that spot with KK because I want to avoid a flop with an Ace. I know if an Ace comes I can just fold my KK to my opponent's bet" (< how easy will it be to beat this guy... lol.. oh look there's a 'scarecard', I think I'll bet this cuz I know this guy will even fold KK here in a heartbeat). Take their money and don't have expectations for intelligent conversation about how to play hands in certain situations. It's tough to find peers where you can actually intellectualize certain spots in games. If you find one it's a bonus. Just don't get the rest of them smarter so that they'll be able to join in on it with you. [/QUOTE]

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