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Message: [QUOTE="Stick66, post: 1426761, member: 7928"] LOL. There's your problem. Not only did you pick non-beginner stakes, but you picked one of the most complex types of NLHE there is. I'm talking BEGINNERS, meaning less than 6 months experience. Maybe less than a year. How many beginners play HU $200NL?? You asked, so I'll tell you. For a beginner in either NLHE of LHE, just figuring outs and pot odds is something that needs to become automatic. -In this case, a beginner needs to know how many outs: Nut FD and 1 overcard: 9 + 3 = 12 -Then they must figure (or just remember) break-even odds: Odds of hitting 12 outs on the next card: About 3-1 (2.8-1 to be exact) -Then they must figure their pot odds: Pot 32 + bet 27 = 59 total. 27 to go divided into 59 pot = 2.18-1 (size of the bet and pot doesn't matter since the calc formula is the same for both types of HE) -Then they must compare the pot odds to their break-even odds and determine if it is worth a call: 2.18-1 is smaller than 3-1, so odds aren't there. - - Yes, THEN things go different in each type. In NLHE, you want to know what your BE odds would be with 2 cards to come since you could shove. Plus you want to consider his stack and read, etc., is figuring implied odds. Yes, in LHE things are simpler, but not basic. There are some decisions you need to make regarding building a pot or checking, who is likely to chase, who may check-raise, etc. But trust me. The 4 above basic steps I described may seem trifling to you and me, but many, many beginners play without working on those basics. I know of some well-respected Cardschat members (who shall remain nameless) who STILL don't pay much attention to these basics. All I'm saying is it's cheaper in LHE to work on the basics since mistakes cost less. Hope that clears things up, OZ. I'm talking strictly beginners and I got the impression (maybe wrongly) that the OP fell into that category. If the player is not a beginner and has all this basic stuff down pat already, then I agree with you OZ. LHE doesn't help a NLHE player much. Cheers. :cool: :cool: [/QUOTE]

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