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Message: [QUOTE="cotta777, post: 2142181, member: 93414"] I'l take it on board for sure and vinyl I have no doubt your experienced and doing well, one question I do have though. If I just played my game extracting value when I make strong hands, and not risking anything when Im not certain... over a long stretch of time - given I know the correct range and positional play, could make a profit? so Im right in thinking genurally theirs no need to be overly aggressive - and still make a healthy profit In my eyes grinding you are able to make small steps and consistant profits, and this can be taught or practiced until successful. where as becoming something more advanced than a standard grinder, involves the kind of skill either people dont feel comfortable learning or have trouble learning.? [/QUOTE]