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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 2624774, member: 23910"] Call it education. OP has a valid point, [i]wherever[/i] you're playing live (even in a big poker room in Vegas) it pays to look out for anything shady, on the part of the casino or (more likely) the other players. But it also helps to understand the difference between something that's shady and something that's just an ordinary bad beat that you're reading too much into. We don't have enough information to know exactly which category OP's case falls into. But going on the information provided, I'd lean towards ordinary bad beat. Here's a breakdown of all the things mentioned, and whether players should be worried about them or not: - [B]Players chatting with the dealer during the hand:[/B] maybe not the most professional thing in the world, but also not uncommon, and as long as they're not talking about the actual hand in play, it's usually not something to be worried about. OP has specified that the player and dealer [i]weren't[/i] talking about the hand in play. - [B]The pause for a few moments before dealing the river:[/B] seems a little odd on the face of it, but I think it all depends what is meant by "a few moments" - do we mean literally two minutes, or more like 10 seconds? If two minutes, then I dunno WTF the dealer was doing other than wasting time that he could have used to deal more hands and make more tips. If it was more like 10 seconds, that might [i]feel[/i] like a long time while you're in the hand, but it's pretty standard and not something to be worried about. Dealers will often take a second or two extra to make sure that everything is correct before proceeding to the next stage of the hand. He may have been mentally calculating rake or double checking there was nobody else to act or something. - [B]Having a face-up card in the deck stub:[/B] I'm still not 100% on what happened here and [i]where[/i] exactly the face up card was. If it was face up in the deck though then the rule I cited above applies, it's treated as a 'meaningless scrap of paper' and the hand is effectively played with a 51-card deck. Face up (or "boxed") cards are uncommon but not unheard of, so the fact there was one isn't proof of any wrongdoing or conspiracy. I'm assuming the face up card wasn't one that would have affected the hand (the fourth jack, or the fourth queen, for example), otherwise OP would have mentioned it. - [B]Casino denying player access to the video footage:[/B] this is standard. As discussed in the above points, there's no clear suggestion of any wrongdoing, which makes this an ordinary bad beat. No casino in the world will go to the cameras just because you copped a bad beat. [/QUOTE]

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