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Message: [QUOTE="Matt Vaughan, post: 2026019, member: 34747"] If you are talking solely about preflop, and people are going for consistently crazy big bets pre (mind you, 6-8bb isn't crazy big for live play), then just wait for strong hands and get aggro. Try 3betting hands like AK and QQ that are almost certainly ahead of everyone's ranges, and get it in preflop if you have to. But it's better to get a bigger pot and narrow the field, so just do what you have to do to give yourself the best chance to win. If they're raising loose and big, just play tight and take the action back to them when you've got the nuts. Patience tends to be key in games like these. [/QUOTE]