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Message: [QUOTE="darth007, post: 2306878, member: 111739"] Yes bots are real....and getting much much better...There are (2) main bots out there. One of them uses PPL coding language. The following is an example of the coding used in these bots for decision making: When botslastaction = none and (Hand = AA) and bigblindsize <40 and stilltoact =1 and raises = 0 and calls = 0 and bets = 0 RAISEMAX FORCE When botslastaction = raise and raises = 1 and lastraiserposition = 3 and inbigblind and (hand = 77) and amounttocall < 4 raise 2 force Explanation: 1st code line is simple...when its your first time to act (thus when botslastaction = none) and your hand is AA (thus Hand = AA) and your table is currently at a BB that is under 40 (Thus bigblindsize <40) and there is 1 player left to act (meaning your insmallblind, Thus stilltoact = 1, being the BB) and all have folded to you (thus raises = 0 , calls = 0, bets = 0) then the code has your bot go ALL IN 2nd code explanation: Now we are getting detailed about our play....When you already raised and now you are getting re-raised (thus botslastaction = raise and raise = 1) and the person raising you is the Button (thus lastraiserposition = 3.....BB is position 1, SB is position 2, Button is position 3 etc) and you are in the BB (thus InBigBlind) and your hand is 77 and the amount for you to call the re-raise is under 4 BB (thus, amounttocall <4) your bot will raise 8 BB (thus raise 2 force....raise is 4bb....thus raise 2 force is 8bb ) The programming has become more and more indepth and detailed, bots are getting more advanced and NOT just abc poker anymore....Now bots are running through your HEM and reading opponents poker stats. So code is expanded: When opponents = 1 and inbutton and stilltoact = 2 and PFR <6 and VPIP >30 and (hand = AKsuited) and foldtosteal >70 raises force Basically the above is isolating 1 opponent in the smallblind whose poker stats say he has high amount ranges he plays but only raises small % and will fold to a raise when insmallblind over 70% of time so your bot will raise or adjust play against the opponent based on the poker stats. Bots used to be nothing but bonus clearing machines in the micro micro stakes. But they are moving up to high and medium stake cash games and have been in all stakes of SNG and MTT for awhile now. I know them inside out as I'm a programmer and love all things programming as it interest me, never mind it involving my favorite game of poker. No there are not as good as a good real poker player, but they are much better than you think and better than almost all beginners, thus why they hunker down in micro to grind against weaker players for RakeBack. No beginner is going to beat a well coded bot. A well coded bot is being coded by a good to great real poker player who knows the play but lets emotion be their weakness. But the coders are smart, they have sooo much code in their bot profiles that the code is covering almost all possible scenarios...Profiles are now breaking 20 thousand lines and coders will TEST the profiles for thousands of hands and run those hands to a BOT program that analyzes them to show where there code is either winning or losing over a big sample. THen the coder adjusts and plays thousands more hands and then runs those BOTLOGS through the analyzer and it will tell them if the coded line is a winning line or a losing line. Whether you support or hate people who bot or bots themselves is not the approach...The approach is, bots are real, you will lose to them on all levels and YES YOU CAN BREAK THEM as most have thresholds to fold ...Such as when amount to call > 6 fold force....so the profile if re-raised will fold if the re-raise is over 6 BB. BUT , thats if the bot is holding 33...but if its holding AA or KK or QQ you will not bet them off the hand...the code simply wont allow it. The code will limp speculative hands only when there is several callers. The code will adjust gears at the bubble and adjust from TAG to LAG throughout the game. There is preflop code and Flop code and Turn code and River code. The way to handle this is......play on sites that dont want them....Sites like Bovada want bots...they literally dont care, as long as they get their $. ACR, BlackChip, True poker, 5 dimes and bovada are the sites bots play at in the US...All Ipoker sites are infested with bots. ALL.....if you dont want to play against a bot, and I dont blame you, then play at a site that is antibot and actively bans and looks for them....pokerstars will not tolerate a bot. They look for em and ban them....However, there is now Stealth where botters are using Virtual Machines and BING to scrape screens and send info to another computer that is making the moves , the poker site legally cannot access the other computer so there are bots on pokerstars. Just not many and is very very risky...They are playing low limits and low amounts... Also, the bots and botters collect usernames. So once they identify you and if they like your style, (meaning they take your $ before) they will enter your poker username in the code. So .......example......player---->pokerrage is a FISH. When opponents = 1 and userpokerrage when (hand = Asuited) ...... Thats when coding gets intense....Thousands of lines of code dedicated to beating 1 player when and IF they get on a table with that player. Then they do this for a thousand players on 1 site like Ipoker. On bovada, you can literally run a bot on a cash table for 16 hours straight. The botters use HOPPERS that they pre program to go IN and OUT of tables all night or all day while at work etc. Bovada does not care. THey do not search for them. I am a manual online and live poker player. I have tried and used bots in the past. Its actually more work than playing yourself. Learn the code Learn how to code But cant do any of it until you learn how to play poker then you have to test and test Analyze re-code Learn Stealth Learn about use of VM's, BING, multiple computers (botfarms) Learn poker stats Learn poker Dont hate on me...Im educating you and doing you a favor...There are TELLS for a bot and once you find the bot you can exploit it. Its so bad now that bots are going out and searching for other bots to play against. So the botters all talk on forums, they learn each other and then look and code their profiles to beat the thresholds of MOST bot code. But bots will sit out allot on cash games...so if you see a player constantly sitting out, they are most likely a bot....if they player takes the SAME amount of time to make a bet all the time, they are a bot...If there bet amounts appear consistent ALL the time, they may be a bot.... Bots are now more in MTT and SNG than cash....Botters love DON sng games. They are gold for them....They play very tight and only play top hands and play them heavily. Cant bully them off any hand. if you dont like bots....dont play a DON game on a site that doesnt care about bots.....if you do, 50% of your opponents are going to be a bot. Eventually there will be only poker sites for just BOTS. so its bot against bot...Coder against coder. Now that I would enjoy. But I learned the hard way the true love of poker, the true thrill of poker and its NOT in botting. Botting will never give you tilt but will take all your $ as you learn your way for years. THose who lose enough money and put enough time in learning do eventually get EV+ in long term. But its not easy easy. Its work so any money they do win, they earned. THey probably worked twice as hard as you to learn the game and learn the programming to make the $25 they did that day. I'd be more than happy to answer any questions as long as its not hate stuff. I love poker. I play poker. I used to bot, but man its allot of work. And most are not profitable because the coder themselves are not good poker players. When the coder is a real winning player (and there are several out there) then it can be a dangerous thing....some botters are clearing $ Here is example of a very weak FLOP code for a MTT bot profile: When PairOnBoard and not (HaveQuads or HaveFullHouse or HaveFlush or HaveStraight or HaveTrips) When HavePair and not (HaveOverPair or Have2ndOverPair or HaveTopPair or Have2ndTopPair) and BetSize > 8 Fold Force When HavePair and BetSize > 40% PotSize and not (HaveTopPair and (HaveBestKicker or Have2ndBestKicker)) Fold Force When Opponents = 1 and OpponentIsAllIn and (Bets = 1 or Raises = 1) and (HaveTopPair or HaveOverPair or Have2ndOverPair or HaveTwoPair or HaveTrips or HaveSet or HaveFullHouse or HaveStraight or HaveFlush) When Bets = 1 and Raises = 0 and BetSize < 45% PotSize Call Force When Raises = 1 and AmountToCall < 47% PotSize and (HaveTopPair and HaveBestKicker) Call Force When Raises = 1 and AmountToCall < 51% PotSize and HaveOverPair Call Force When Raises = 1 and AmountToCall < 54% PotSize and (HaveTwoPair or HaveTrips or HaveSet or HaveFullHouse or HaveStraight or HaveFlush) Call Force When HaveSet and (Bets = 1 or Raises = 1) and not (HaveFullHouse or HaveQuads) When not (StraightPossible or FlushPossible) Raise 50% Force When BotsLastAction = Raise and not (OneCardStraightPossible or OneCardFlushPossible) and (BetSize < 50% StackSize or BetSize < 61% PotSize) Call Force When not (FlushPossible or OneCardStraightPossible) and OnlyOneStraightPossible Raise 50% Force When BetSize > 10 and not (OneCardStraightPossible or OneCardFlushPossible) Call Force [/QUOTE]

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