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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 1739008, member: 23910"] Understood. On your other points I agree making everyone use a card protector would go a long way to solving the problem but I suspect a rule like that would fail on the grounds of practicality - simply put, no card room is going to refuse to take someone's money just because they're not using a card protector. The rules also clearly state that people who choose [I]not[/I] to use a card protector do so at their own risk. There's only so many rules you can make to protect people from themselves. Keep in mind too that not all tables have betting lines on them and even on tables that do have them the line doesn't necesarily mean anything. Some casinos enforce that action made over the line is binding, others don't. So treating cards the same way as chips in that way won't necessarily solve anything. So in short I don't think changing the rules is a viable solution. If anything I think it might actually create more confusion since there's no way of enforcing a new rule in every card room and the current card protection rules are among the few that are already pretty much universal. As to the cause of the problem ultimately yes, inattention on the dealer's part is almost always to blame in situations like this. Depending on what else happened there can be other contributing factors though. I know personally if anything comes inside a certain area on the table in front of me while I'm dealing muscle memory takes over and I gather that object in. Usually it's folded cards, sometimes it's chips for change or bets where the player has folded to a raise. I'm sure other dealers do similar things. Dealers have to keep track of the actions of nine or more players all at once which means a heap of multitasking, particularly preflop. Because we have to multitask sometimes our brains automate some processes and I think this is the reason some mistakes happen. It's not just pure inattention because if that were the case we'd be staring blankly into space rather than mucking live hands :p [/QUOTE]

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