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Message: [QUOTE="ChuckTs, post: 714745, member: 467"] We can't ever know what cards our opponents hold, and thus we calculate our odds strictly on the basis of probability in terms of known vs unknown cards. If you're factoring the number of cards of said suit in your opponents' hands, then you also have to factor in the rest of the deck as well. If we flop a flush draw, we know that we have two of said suit in our hand, and two are on the flop. We can see 5 of the 52 cards, so that leaves 47 remaining cards. 13 of said suit minus 4 of said suit (2 in hand, 2 on board) leaves 9 remaining in the [I]unknown[/I] part of the deck. 47/9 = 5.22, and so your odds are 4.22:1 from flop to turn. A flush draw is [I]always[/I] 4.22:1 to hit from flop-turn, 4.11:1 from turn-river, and 2:1 from flop-river. Your second question is completely situational and can't be answered without more information. In [I]general[/I] in those situations we'd like to keep the pot relatively small. [/QUOTE]