This Can't Be Healthy!

5TR8 FLUSH

5TR8 FLUSH

Legend
Loyaler
Joined
May 26, 2009
Total posts
2,267
Awards
6
US
Poker Chips
609
Casino Coins
0
  • #26
Congrats on the 4 way all-in win holding the AKs ecomdan. I'm yet to play in any live poker, i'm not depositing anymore on any sites because I get tired of bad beats(AA cracked, runner runner BS, one outers, and rivers).

Interesting thread, I still get angry when I lose a big portion of my BR because of a bad beat. I use to stress out a lot and a bit depressed from going busto but now I know that its poker and that most players are losing players. I still don't see the chips as chips yet but as money, thats why I might not play my greatest poker. :)
 
CAMurray

CAMurray

CardsChat Elite
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 4, 2009
Total posts
4,549
Awards
4
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #27
Im with Tom on this one. there is literally nothing in life that isn't perceived to be unhealthy to someone. So I just rationalize that life is just a combination of roughly 42,048,000 minutes, given an 80 year lifespan and about 24,703,200 of mine are already gone. Now if I have only 17,344,800 minutes left, give or take, by god Im going to enjoy them.



tomh7795 said:
I think everything is unheathy. Smoking, booze and woman lol. Poker is just unheathy. I agree that poker is bad for people who can't afford to play and play over their limits
 

Attachments

  • Picture 35.jpg
    Picture 35.jpg
    463.1 KB · Views: 117
StormRaven

StormRaven

Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Total posts
2,510
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #28
LombardiStix said:
Very interesting topic. I think the key word in the equation is balance. You must balance your life in a way which allows all of that negative energy to escape through a positive form. This is the only way to deal/cope long term with the feelings you describe....

OR

You must change the very feelings you are feeling. This would require some form of cognitive therapy (maybe not professionally), but it would take massive effort on your part to change your very thought process (intake) during your poker sessions. It may also help your results to consider each hand in a more objective form. The "distance" from the results of your game could help you evaluate your play and manage your emotional swings. Sometimes we also feel very strong negative feelings because we are risking TOO MUCH on your pocket aces holding up etc. So maintain strong BRing management as well.

Good Luck,
Stix

Joe Slick said:
I think this is one area where the multitablers have an advantage over the single table players. Multitablers don't have time to dwell on bad results because there is always another hand on another table that requires their attention.

Depression from losses is a different issue. You can't win every time and losing streaks are part of the game. If losing depresses you because you can't afford the losses, you shouldn't be playing. If losing depresses you because it hurts your ego, get over it or stop playing.

Also, being afraid to lose makes it impossible to be a winner. There's a fantastic quote from the movie "Searching for Bobby Fischer" that I've never forgotten. It's a movie about child chess prodigy Josh Waitzkin. This quote is said to Josh by his street-smart Central-Park-playing chess buddy Vinnie (Laurence Fishburne) about Josh's chess coach Bruce (Ben Kingsley):

"He didn't teach you how to win, he taught you how not to lose. That's nothing to be proud of. You're playing not to lose, Josh. You've got to risk losing. You've got to risk everything. You've got to go to the edge of defeat. That's where you want to be, boy - on the edge of defeat."

All the above IMHO.

TheNoob said:
Hmmmm.

You know what I noticed? (now I know nothing about your game, so it's obvious this is not a comment on the quality of your play).

Early in my career, my game was WAY worse than it is now, and the game was WAY more stressful.

It didn't take me long to realize the stress was a result of playing hands I shouldn't have played putting me in stressful situations I shouldn't be in.

fwiw.

^^^All above are the keys imo and valid points.

There are some important steps one must take in order to learn to control the extremes in emotions that poker can deal to you. Those extreme ups and downs will kill your game and mess with your mind.

I believe it's a valuable life lesson to go through these extremes and learn how to cope/deal/control it.

What I have learned to control my emotions so they aren't extreme, but mild reactions to little reaction to no reactions, depending on many factors:

1. Don't play for more than you can afford to lose. If you play scared you can't play the game the way it was meant to be played. You'll allow your emotions to control your actions because you have a vested interest in not losing the money you can't afford to lose.

2. Learn the odds. All of them. The better you understand what your odds are, what your opponents odds are then the better you will be able to control your emotions when your opponent hits that flush on the river cracking your flopped set because you realize he not only had more outs than you to make his hand but had the proper odds to make the call. You'll find yourself saying "I would have done the same thing in his shoes" when you lose instead of concentrating on the fact that you lost.

3. Learn the game better. Once you have a better understanding of the game, hands played and from what positions, opponents styles, stack sizes, etc; the less your emotions will come into play. You'll be able to better understand why the button called the 3x bb pfr with 67su as he was getting 6:1 to make the call by the time it got around to him and not be so upset when your AA gets cracked by him with that hand. You'll be able to better understand why the chip leader called your all in preflop from the bb with 73os because he was getting 4:1 to make the call with atc. You'll be able to better understand why the player who appears to be a bully at your cash table is always picking on your blinds because you don't defend them, you're playing the cards instead of the players. You get the idea..

4. Don't get married to your hands. When you raise utg with QQ and the nit in the bb calls and he leads into you on an A high wet flop, learn to give it up. Or if you have JJ and the flop is 10 9 7 - all diamonds and your Jacks are black and you've got two opponents betting the pot before it gets to you - don't get married to your over pair, learn to give it up.

So basically, emotions will be less extreme if you learn the game better and understand why people do what they do. Of course there is just no explanation for some of the plays & idiots out there, but still, learn the game better, learn odds, learn outs, learn position, learn stack sizes, learn styles, learn bankroll management etc;

Do the above and not only will your emotions be less affected by the game, but you'll find the balance, you'll improve your game and feel more confident.
 
tomh7795

tomh7795

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 28, 2009
Total posts
545
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #29
That's 1 hard core baby. Yeaaahhhhhh. Damm wish I was that cool at his age lol jk
 
StormRaven

StormRaven

Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Total posts
2,510
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #30
CAMurray said:
Im with Tom on this one. there is literally nothing in life that isn't perceived to be unhealthy to someone. So I just rationalize that life is just a combination of roughly 42,048,000 minutes, given an 80 year lifespan and about 24,703,200 of mine are already gone. Now if I have only 17,344,800 minutes left, give or take, by god Im going to enjoy them.

^^^LMAO @ the pic!!! I LOVE it!!! You have my kind of sense of humor Chris!!!

As for everything is bad for you comments? Meh...
I mostly agree with Chris on this. I had a near death experience once and let me tell you something, it changes your whole outlook on life! Life is for the living! What's the point if you don't go for it, take some risks, follow your dreams? All you'll end up doing is playing the "what if" game in your old age and having a lot of regrets! I don't want that!!!

If my lifestyle of smoking & drinking & eating not always healthy causes me to lose a few years, BUT, my years are full of adventure, fantastic memories & tales, I've made a difference in many peoples lives, have brought joy & happiness to others, if I can go to my grave without regrets or wondering "what if I had done this or that instead?" then by golly I've lived a very full life no matter what age I die and I would much rather die happy, fulfilled, completed with joy in my heart than to say I lived to be 95 and only "existed" in life instead of "Lived" life!

Life is too damned short to sweat the small stuff, to be unhappy, to not follow your dreams, take risks, go for broke!
 
P

PokaKing99

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Apr 27, 2010
Total posts
4
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #31
JEP712 said:
I was thinking about all the negative emotions that poker creates on a minute to minute bases. Stress from pocket aces cracked by river trips, nervousness when all-in with the villain having a flush draw, and depression from losses. Do you think poker could lead to minor mental problems?:eek:

Yes, absolutely! The kind that turns into anger and possibly addiction to gambling making it not so fun to play! But until I get to that point I will play every day!
 
Eugenius

Eugenius

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 5, 2008
Total posts
131
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #32
I think all poker players who play for any substantial stakes are all messed up in the head in some way shape or form.
 
L

LarryT503

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
May 8, 2008
Total posts
375
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #33
I think that's crazy talk! It is a competitive endeavor like sports or games. Let's just say some people that play probably already have mental disorders.:)
 
Tom1559

Tom1559

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 22, 2009
Total posts
1,701
Awards
1
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #34
If poker gets to the stage where it affects somebody mentally then I think they should stop playing. Everybody should be playing at a bankroll level they can afford and there if they lose it should not be a problem. I know this ideal does not always apply but nonetheless this is how it should be.
 
E

Ecomdan

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 25, 2009
Total posts
241
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #35
StormRaven said:
1. Don't play for more than you can afford to lose. If you play scared you can't play the game the way it was meant to be played. You'll allow your emotions to control your actions because you have a vested interest in not losing the money you can't afford to lose.

2. Learn the odds. All of them. The better you understand what your odds are, what your opponents odds are then the better you will be able to control your emotions when your opponent hits that flush on the river cracking your flopped set because you realize he not only had more outs than you to make his hand but had the proper odds to make the call. You'll find yourself saying "I would have done the same thing in his shoes" when you lose instead of concentrating on the fact that you lost.

3. Learn the game better. Once you have a better understanding of the game, hands played and from what positions, opponents styles, stack sizes, etc; the less your emotions will come into play. You'll be able to better understand why the button called the 3x bb pfr with 67su as he was getting 6:1 to make the call by the time it got around to him and not be so upset when your AA gets cracked by him with that hand. You'll be able to better understand why the chip leader called your all in preflop from the bb with 73os because he was getting 4:1 to make the call with atc. You'll be able to better understand why the player who appears to be a bully at your cash table is always picking on your blinds because you don't defend them, you're playing the cards instead of the players. You get the idea..

4. Don't get married to your hands. When you raise utg with QQ and the nit in the bb calls and he leads into you on an A high wet flop, learn to give it up. Or if you have JJ and the flop is 10 9 7 - all diamonds and your Jacks are black and you've got two opponents betting the pot before it gets to you - don't get married to your over pair, learn to give it up.

So basically, emotions will be less extreme if you learn the game better and understand why people do what they do. Of course there is just no explanation for some of the plays & idiots out there, but still, learn the game better, learn odds, learn outs, learn position, learn stack sizes, learn styles, learn bankroll management etc;

Do the above and not only will your emotions be less affected by the game, but you'll find the balance, you'll improve your game and feel more confident.



^ this

Great advice Stormraven.
 
Sean Pilgrim

Sean Pilgrim

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 31, 2009
Total posts
2,620
Awards
1
Poker Chips
6
Casino Coins
0
  • #36
atlantafalcons0 said:
Anytime there is a loss of money or "bad luck" happening - it's shitty.

Thank you Mr. Obvious. lol

I can't control it when some idiot with a donkey avatar on Full Tilt, who is constantly pushing the F1 F2 F3 F4 keys on their keyboard to make their avatar constantly change faces calls my all in with air and hits a runner runner miracle straight or runner runner flush or running 2 pair, or I have AJ vs. JT and he hits a ten on the turn or river.

I also hate it when people say "Sorry" in the chat box. it's like NO YOU ARE NOT YOU STUPID IDIOT!

I also hate it when someone berates you for calling a shove while holding top pair with a straight draw on the flop when they had aces and you turn 3 of a kind. That same person if you held a set on the flop would STFU and be like "Damn aces cracked again because I overvalue the hell out of them" and they never think "My credibility must be shot to hell because I've been stealing his BB 7 times in a row, and wow this time he called he might have flopped a set or flopped the straight or flopped two pair. My aces might not be good here especially since he's only 8/8/1 over 200 hands"

/vent
 
Sean Pilgrim

Sean Pilgrim

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 31, 2009
Total posts
2,620
Awards
1
Poker Chips
6
Casino Coins
0
  • #37
CAMurray said:
I just rationalize that life is just a combination of roughly 42,048,000 minutes, given an 80 year lifespan and about 24,703,200 of mine are already gone. Now if I have only 17,344,800 minutes left, give or take, by god Im going to enjoy them.

I just rationalize that life is just a combination of roughly 42,048,000 minutes, given an 80 year lifespan and about 12,088,800 of mine are already gone. Now if I have only 29,959,200 minutes left, give or take, by god Im going to enjoy them.

heh heh heh... stole it
 
LarkMarlow

LarkMarlow

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 26, 2009
Total posts
14,664
Awards
1
Poker Chips
1
Casino Coins
0
  • #38
JEP712 said:
Do you think poker could lead to minor mental problems?:eek:

"Lead to"? Nope. Reveal, yes! The good news is that once revealed, these "minor problems" can either be artfully concealed or even healed.

On a psychological level, I have found poker to be a journey in self discovery as has been suggested by many pros, who say to play top notch you need to know yourself better than anyone else does.

You'd be surprised how many people think they know themselves but don't--they are usually the ones who, when they lose or are on a bad run, blame everything under the sun except the common denominator. Couldn't be them, could it?! So they'll keep behaving and playing the way they have been and expecting a different result. Now taking that course of action, I do believe, qualifies as a defintion of insanity.

I think any time we feel a little unhinged during or after a game we have a marvelous opportunity to examine not only how we played our cards, but review our mental game as well.
 
J

JEP712

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Total posts
538
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #39
Really interesting replies. Just to set it straight, I'm not complaining about bad beats or anything like that. I was just asking a legitimate question of poker leading to minor mental problems.

There are times where it really does hurt on the inside when you have the right odds, right decisions, and perfect read, but get beat in the bubble stages of the tournaments. Sure it's part of the game, but I think no matter who you are, poker can affect you mentally in some way or form.
 
J

JEP712

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Total posts
538
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #40
Sean Pilgrim said:
Thank you Mr. Obvious. lol

I can't control it when some idiot with a donkey avatar on Full Tilt, who is constantly pushing the F1 F2 F3 F4 keys on their keyboard to make their avatar constantly change faces calls my all in with air and hits a runner runner miracle straight or runner runner flush or running 2 pair, or I have AJ vs. JT and he hits a ten on the turn or river.

I also hate it when people say "Sorry" in the chat box. it's like NO YOU ARE NOT YOU STUPID IDIOT!

I also hate it when someone berates you for calling a shove while holding top pair with a straight draw on the flop when they had aces and you turn 3 of a kind. That same person if you held a set on the flop would STFU and be like "Damn aces cracked again because I overvalue the hell out of them" and they never think "My credibility must be shot to hell because I've been stealing his BB 7 times in a row, and wow this time he called he might have flopped a set or flopped the straight or flopped two pair. My aces might not be good here especially since he's only 8/8/1 over 200 hands"

/vent

OMG YES! I ABSOLUTELY HATE PEOPLE WHO SAYS "SORRY". I'M LIKE WTF!? YOU CALLED MY ALL IN WITH YOUR 93o THEN FLOP THE BOAT AND SAY SORRY?! DON'T BE SORRY BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T CALL THAT HAND TO PURPOSELY LOSE. YOU KNOW YOUR HAPPY SO JUST BORROW MY CHIPS FOR NOW. THAT SORRY REALLY TILTS ME FOR SOME REASON. IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY THAT I HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS. SORRY. There, now I feel sooooo much better.:icon_sunn
 
N

nightmoves44

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 30, 2007
Total posts
1,967
Awards
1
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #41
good or bad?

I believe poker can actually teach you patience,and anger management too.You will have to conquer these two things about yourself,before you become a winning player.
 
M

MFaith

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 3, 2008
Total posts
177
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #42
JEP712 said:
I was thinking about all the negative emotions that poker creates on a minute to minute bases. Stress from pocket aces cracked by river trips, nervousness when all-in with the villain having a flush draw, and depression from losses. Do you think poker could lead to minor mental problems?:eek:

Like most things in life, everything in moderation is good.:)
 
Lafayette2

Lafayette2

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 8, 2010
Total posts
195
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #43
I thought poker is supposedf to be a skill game.... If you have the odds down and don't relie on luck, the thinking about odds, tells, aggression and things like that should force you to focus more on the moves you are making or about to make and that should help your mental health. Yes repeated bad beats can lead to a depressive state but if you know its had the best hand and luck reared its lovely head to hand you a defeat . If you played your best that would improve your mood and you mental capacity. If its your last money and you lost I can see how once again you're be depressed. Overall i feel poker is a positive to help improve mental health.
 
T

tearedtotears

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
May 8, 2010
Total posts
48
Poker Chips
0
Casino Coins
0
  • #44
If it did not feel that bad to lose, winning wouldn't feel that good, too. Easy but true. And if the fun and the challenge and fun stays in the focus it's fine I guess..
 
Top