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[QUOTE="Matt Vaughan, post: 2368129, member: 34747"]
Have to agree with duggs, that you can't say most people aren't utilizing position. Looking at the majority of people's stats online, we see that they open widest from the button and progressively less wide the closer they get to UTG.

Plus there is a HUGE logical fallacy happening when you suggest that everyone is just playing their two cards and not thinking about who they are playing against but ALSO they rely heavily on HUD's in their decision-making process. These two things are mutually exclusive, given that the HUD stats are directly based off of players' tendencies.

Meanwhile, I can state the EXACT same generalization that you've mentioned for online poker, apply it to live poker, and give much more compelling evidence for its validity:

1. Most live players don't utilize position:
- Many players limp/call the same frequencies no matter where they sit at the table

2. Most live players don't think about other players' tendencies:
- Many players are playing the exact same way in hands against entirely different people
- They lack any kind of understanding about what someone's action means, unless it is the same player type as they are (usually loose passive)
- They call off too wide against nits, and fold too much against lags
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