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Message: [QUOTE="Cheetah, post: 687114, member: 28209"] It is not a clear cut where to draw the line. Let me list several levels: [LIST=1] [*]No knowledge of odds, just plain old poker [*]Learn to calculate simple odds [*]Use a printed sheet with more complex odds [*]Use an application to show you the odds for the hand at play [*]Use notes how people play [*]Use poker-traker [*]Develop an automated strategy, but don't interface with the poker application. Instead manually enter the current hand and look at optimal play. [*]Use an application that has good auto-fold strategy so you can play 20 tables. [*]Train a low-paid person to fold for you and you only play the good hands [*]Develop an almost complete pre-flop strategy so you usually only play post-flop [*]Interface a bot with a poker application and let it play most of the time except in difficult situations so you can play 100 tables [*]Interface a bot and let it play 100%. Of course if the bot loses, you can't get your money back from it:)[/LIST]Every additional automation that assists during poker play is one step closer to full automation. But where is the "cheating" line drawn? I think different people will draw it differently. One could argue that bot-usage is not cheating since no additional information is available to the bot. Clearly this is very different from collusion which is definitely cheating. The problem of saying that bots are cheating is that the line has to be drawn arbitrarily. Poker sites already have this problem where they allow some applications, and not others and sometimes they change their mind and ban previously "OK" applications. [/QUOTE]

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