cheating with open proxy?

Makwa said:

I used to use proxy server for HU, but ended up beating myself up. Don't do it!!!

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That's good!

LOL

By the way guys a proxy is one way. Others include. Playing on your regular DSL/Cable while also playing on broadband internet like ATT or Verizon. Also if you play from one location and can use something like team viewer to play from another IP.

If we can think of these things than the cheaters got all kinds of plans.

Yet another reason why most people should not be in a rush to move up in levels.

billyth3kid said:

no super users....theres poeple that hacked into the pentagon u honestly believe no person on this earth can hack fulltilt or pokerstars?

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Who has hacked into the 'pentagon's network'? There is no such thing. The pentagon uses the same network that the rest of the DoD uses, and even then there is not extremely important information that could have been compromised. The could probably care less if someone hacked into the nonclassified network. As for the classified network, hacking into it is completely impossible. Back to poker software, most sites utilize 256 bit AES encryption which is approved by the NSA for classified information. There is no human being or computer powerful enough to break this encryption. There is no doubt that one day this will be broken, but not any time in the next couple of decades. The only way that users can see whole cards is by social engineering. There must be a disgruntled employee or someone looking for a 'side job' for this to happen. Remember: 256 bit encryption = impossible to break thus far.

sunnyyl2010 said:

Wow,what a surprise.No wonder that I was always losing my money when I was involving online pokers.
I just started this kind of game for a couple of days,and I always lose my money.I used to think that I was a green hand and I was not lucky enough.It seems that there may be some other reasons,probably it's because of those skilled cheaters "stealing" my money away...

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You're not losing because of people cheating

billyth3kid said:

no super users....theres poeple that hacked into the pentagon u honestly believe no person on this earth can hack fulltilt or pokerstars?

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While I'm not surprised that misinformed and not-very-computer-literate people think this is possible, trust those of us who know what we're talking about when we say, nobody is viewing your hole cards on Stars or Tilt (or most any other room these days). Why? The only hole cards transmitted to each client, are that client's hole cards and showdown hands. Hole card information for everyone is only available at the server end. Connections to the server are secured by SSL and high-level encryption, typically AES256, which is unbreakable. The only way someone could access the server and cheat by using your hole cards, is if it's from the inside.

In the very, very early days of poker, some rooms transmitted everyone's hole cards to every client. Obviously this, combined with lax or nonexistent encryption standards back then, led to a lot of poker cheats at the time. But they were eventually quashed.

Going back to the superuser scandals that people keep referring to, the inside job scenario is exactly what happened. These were carried out by employees, former employees, and the friends they shared it with, using a known, intentional back-door on the server (not the client) that they could login to and watch hole cards as they played. It was not done via the client software. These were not hackers, and not necessarily even computer literate people. They just knew how, and had access to do so already, to login to the server backend and see everything that was going on. It was not something that the public at large, or even hackers for that matter, were able to do. When it was discovered, the server software was audited and those back-doors were closed, shutting down this avenue permanently.

Recently Cake and Ultimatebet were found to be using in-house, substandard encryption protocols that were easily decrypted *if* the attacker was within your network (i.e. in your house, dorm, etc. or accessing your wifi connection). All this showed, however, was that person's login credentials and hole cards. So while they could have theoretically cheated *you* they could not do so for the whole table. Both were reportedly fixed, or soon to be fixed, promptly after the reports surfaced.

So there really is nothing to worry about, especially from the likes of PS and FT who are state-of-the-art when it comes to their technology, unless you just want to be paranoid of rogue employees cheating you. In which case I guess you're also paranoid of any other online business that has access to your sensitive info and money, such as your bank, credit card company, etc.

onemorechance said:

You're not losing because of people cheating

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^^^ This.

mosseyAJ said:

Who has hacked into the 'pentagon's network'? There is no such thing. The pentagon uses the same network that the rest of the DoD uses, and even then there is not extremely important information that could have been compromised. The could probably care less if someone hacked into the nonclassified network. As for the classified network, hacking into it is completely impossible. Back to poker software, most sites utilize 256 bit AES encryption which is approved by the NSA for classified information. There is no human being or computer powerful enough to break this encryption. There is no doubt that one day this will be broken, but not any time in the next couple of decades. The only way that users can see whole cards is by social engineering. There must be a disgruntled employee or someone looking for a 'side job' for this to happen. Remember: 256 bit encryption = impossible to break thus far.

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Actually hacking into the pentagon and the DoD is entirely possible. China's done it twice in the past couple of years. They used teams of attackers and eventually got in and took some valueable info. Now as for hacking PS of FT less likely because individual people just don't have the man power or computer tech to do it. And as stated earlier you wouldn't be able to see everyone's whole cards anyway.

jmill said:

Actually hacking into the pentagon and the DoD is entirely possible. China's done it twice in the past couple of years. They used teams of attackers and eventually got in and took some valueable info. Now as for hacking PS of FT less likely because individual people just don't have the man power or computer tech to do it. And as stated earlier you wouldn't be able to see everyone's whole cards anyway.

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The Pentagon's network has obviously been infiltrated in the past, but comparing a nation state's attempt to a typical poker hacker is kinda silly.

That said, having worked for the DoD and knowing others who do, it's no surprise they're vulnerable. Outside of the NSA, the US government has never been the hallmark of IT security. Plus they're a huge organization with a ton of potential points of vulnerability.

With few exceptions, the civilian commercial sector is typically well ahead of the typical government organization in terms of IT technology, plus they tend to have a much more narrow exposure point.

Although it's not as bad as it used to be, I'd be willing to bet a serious hacker would have an easier time infiltrating a DoD network than PokerStars' network.

oh i realize now that the government isn't as high tech as individuals think (just recently started working for a government organization myself). But my point wasn't really to compare the levels, but merely to point out that the pentagon could be hacked for valueable info.

Any system can be hacked. There's no such thing as unhackable. Dont let all the Ivey commercials and fancy names associated with it fool u. Ivey represents FT cuz he gets a fat check, not cuz he approves of it. Ppl r talkin about FT/PS like they're Google or Microsoft. Ridiculous.

I'm nowhere near as smart as a hacker but give me a superuser account u'll die not knowing im seeing whole cards. Its as simple as that. Now u can imagine how sophisticated a hacker would be, concealing such an advantage.

Dont be fooled ppl. PS/FT is, can and will be hacked.

SlySwagga said:

Any system can be hacked. There's no such thing as unhackable. Dont let all the Ivey commercials and fancy names associated with it fool u. Ivey represents FT cuz he gets a fat check, not cuz he approves of it. Ppl r talkin about FT/PS like they're Google or Microsoft. Ridiculous.

I'm nowhere near as smart as a hacker but give me a superuser account u'll die not knowing im seeing whole cards. Its as simple as that. Now u can imagine how sophisticated a hacker would be, concealing such an advantage.

Dont be fooled ppl. PS/FT is, can and will be hacked.

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I LOLed.

btw your tinfoil hat is crooked...

If you haven't been cheated you aren't playing poker

Subtle collusion is almost impossible to detect. Just used a couple times a
session to win a big pot or two. And colluders who have got caught even won a major tournament get welcome back with open arms.

I don't understand how sites wouldn't be able to check IPs to see if another is cheating. Boggles my mind.

Siao said:

I don't understand how sites wouldn't be able to check IPs to see if another is cheating. Boggles my mind.

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Same IP != cheating. It's a piece of evidence to look farther into, maybe, but by itself it doesn't mean anything. Everyone behind the same internet gateway will appear to come from the same IP, and that could include corporate networks, dorms, coffee shops & internet bars, etc. My fiber ISP, if you don't pay extra for a static IP like I do, puts all their customers on a private 10.x.x.x subnet and MASQuerades them behind one public IP. So everybody in town without their own static IP appears to come from the same IP.

To get back to the original topic of cheating. I believe it occurs on every site in almost every game,,,,except private ones, which are the only ones I now play unless I have 5 plus hrs time and have nothing better to do on a weekend.

worldclass said:

i never heard about this but is not impossible. cheaters are everywhere and we cannot find them. i heard something about a program that shows the cards of the other players. online poker is insecure

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lol

forsakenone said:

in an MTT he doesn't have a huge advantage, but in sngs he might do better. but it will come to light eventually when 2 players keep showing up at the same time, playing time and time in same sngs and he will most definitely not play too many pots with both accounts. and he will have to chip dump too.

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^ Also, some poker sites now prevent proxy use.