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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 5380623, member: 397965"] [COLOR=#1F497D]The main reason, some poker players initially sited with Ivey, was a belief, that it is the responsibility of the casino to supply untainted cards. And if they fail to do so, they kind of have it coming. However I don’t think, any poker players will say, that what Ivey did, had a very high moral standard. And two different courts have now ruled it as cheating, so if nothing else he have created a lot of financial problems for himself and hurt his reputation. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1F497D] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1F497D]As for players cheating other players, I think, all honest poker players see this pretty much the same way. Anything against the rules is cheating, if its done deliberately to gain an advantage on other players. That include peeking at cards, marking cards, superusers online or in streams, collusion, use of illegal software online and angle shooting in live poker. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1F497D] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1F497D]Some areas a little bit of a grey zone though, like when people softplay in tournaments, or when someone signal their intention to fold in a multiway pot, before its their turn to act. These actions can both be seen as collusion, but at the same time its difficult to make rules, that people are not allowed to play small pots, or that everyone must have a great poker face to not influence the action of other players in multiway pots. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1F497D] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1F497D]And then of course there are the off table actions, which are probably much more of a real issue among pros. Borrowing money and not paying back, not living up to agreements like the “Durr challenge” or staking agreements, and so on and so forth. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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