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Message: [QUOTE="Collin Moshman, post: 5380682, member: 62520"] The casino supplied the dealer and cards. I personally don't think Ivey did anything wrong just because a court ruled against him. Courts have also ruled that online poker is a game of luck, after all! Generally though I'd say there are definitely different levels of cheating. For example, someone who multi-accounts online is cheating by gaining an unfair edge against their opponents. Someone like Postle who is stealing stream data is outright theft and the worse offense between the two. So I think it's reasonable given that there are different levels of cheating and some offenses worse than others, that people hold different opinions on where the line is drawn in terms of the person being permanently branded a cheater. And again for me Ivey definitely doesn't qualify unless there's more to the story I'm not aware of, DS3 I'll have to check out that podcast -- sounds really interesting. [/QUOTE]