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Message: [QUOTE="royalburrito24, post: 678805, member: 25184"] iwouldprefernotto and myself had a recent instant messenger conversation regarding the definition of a cooler. This whole conversation began when we witnessed this hand at his tournament table: Full Tilt Poker Game #4624138369: $26 Token Frenzy (34477654), Table 3 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:18:08 ET - 2007/12/25 Seat 1: davedub21 (3,565) Seat 2: Lnr Rigbee (3,865) Seat 3: NYPokerGod10 (7,840) Seat 4: JCROBERTS (1,320) Seat 5: Hurtner (4,595) Seat 6: Sara_Pezzini (2,660) Seat 8: soccerfreakjj10 (5,985) Seat 9: bigdog80112 (3,335) soccerfreakjj10 posts the big blind of 120 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** bigdog80112 folds davedub21 folds Lnr Rigbee has 15 seconds left to act [COLOR="Blue"][B]Lnr Rigbee raises to 240[/B][/COLOR] NYPokerGod10 folds [COLOR="red"][B]JCROBERTS raises to 1,320, and is all in[/B][/COLOR] Hurtner folds Sara_Pezzini folds soccerfreakjj10 folds Lnr Rigbee calls 1,080 [COLOR="red"][B]JCROBERTS shows [Kh Ac][/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="blue"][B]Lnr Rigbee shows [As Ah][/B][/COLOR] *** FLOP *** [Ks 8h 9s] *** TURN *** [Ks 8h 9s] [5d] *** RIVER *** [Ks 8h 9s 5d] [5s] JCROBERTS shows two pair, Kings and Fives Lnr Rigbee shows two pair, Aces and Fives Lnr Rigbee wins the pot (2,760) with two pair, Aces and Fives JCROBERTS stands up iwouldprefernotto argues that pushing AK pre flop, believing that you are either flipping a coin or dominating an opponent, and you get called by AA it is considered to be a cooler. I, however, disagree. I believe that situation is not considered to be a cooler. I feel that if you are potentially only flipping a coin, then finding out that you are dominated isn't and shouldn't be considered a cooler. My definition of a cooler would be when you push KK pre flop, a dominating hand that is only dominated by one other hand, and to see the AA, would be a cooler. We both agreed that another cooler could be set over set or boat over boat, things of that nature. [COLOR="Red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:17:58 PM): what a cooler [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:03 PM): AK to run into aces [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:18:08 PM): thats not a cooler [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:18:20 PM): a cooler is KK vs AA [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:18:27 PM): and [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:27 PM): AK is a cooler too [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:29 PM): u are thinking [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:18:32 PM): boat over boat [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:34 PM): either flop or dominated [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:38 PM): flip* [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:43 PM): and you are hoping you dominated them [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:46 PM): and boom [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:18:50 PM): you are actually the one dominated [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:19:04 PM): flip cant be in there [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:19:09 PM): its where you think you got them dominated [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito[/COLOR]24 (5:19:14 PM): but they got the one hand that has you dominated [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:19:27 PM): its a cooler dammit [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:19:34 PM): no [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:19:40 PM): when you have AK [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:19:41 PM): its [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:19:45 PM): either i have them dominted [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:19:46 PM): not AK [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:19:50 PM): or at worst a flip [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:19:56 PM): and they turn over aces [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:19:56 PM): and its [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:19:57 PM): flip cant be in there [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:20:45 PM): im posting [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:20:47 PM): on cc [COLOR="red"]iwouldprefernotto[/COLOR] (5:20:52 PM): the question? [COLOR="blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:20:55 PM): yes [COLOR="Blue"]royalburrito24[/COLOR] (5:21:00 PM): definition of a cooler So, the questions that I am proposing are: 1) Who do you agree with more? Me? or iwouldprefernotto? 2) What is your definition of a cooler? [/QUOTE]

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