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Message: [QUOTE="aliengenius, post: 678845, member: 11924"] Above situation was a cooler for the AK because of his stack size relative to the blinds/first raise. On the other hand, here is a donkey (me :o) playing AK: FullTiltPoker Game #4598790593: Cardschat $150 Added Buyin (33935782), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:09:42 ET - 2007/12/23 Seat 1: Amador_Ed (4,705) Seat 2: aliengenius (3,625) Seat 4: swoop (1,360) Seat 5: imbiancone (4,235) Seat 6: njpokerhoney (3,435) Seat 8: ziggymom (3,260) Seat 9: landy011350 (1,350) Amador_Ed posts the small blind of 60 aliengenius posts the big blind of 120 The button is in seat #9 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to aliengenius [Ac Kd] swoop folds imbiancone raises to 360 njpokerhoney folds ziggymom folds landy011350 folds Amador_Ed folds aliengenius has 15 seconds left to act aliengenius raises to 1,000 imbiancone raises to 4,235, and is all in aliengenius calls 2,625, and is all in imbiancone shows [Ad As] aliengenius shows [Ac Kd] Uncalled bet of 610 returned to imbiancone *** FLOP *** [Kc 8d 7d] *** TURN *** [Kc 8d 7d] [COLOR=red]J♥[/COLOR] *** RIVER *** [Kc 8d 7d Jh] 4♠ imbiancone shows a pair of Aces aliengenius shows a pair of Kings landy011350 is feeling confused imbiancone wins the pot (7,310) with a pair of Aces aliengenius stands up *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 7,310 | Rake 0 Board: [Kc 8d 7d Jh 4s] Seat 1: Amador_Ed (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 2: aliengenius (big blind) showed [Ac Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings Seat 4: swoop didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: imbiancone showed [Ad As] and won (7,310) with a pair of Aces Seat 6: njpokerhoney didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: ziggymom didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: landy011350 (button) didn't bet (folded) Big difference between shoving as a short stack and running into one of the few hands that have you dominated, and calling off all your money in a situation where it isn't necessary. I don't understand your argument that KK running into AA is a cooler, but AK running into it isn't-- it's only one more hand (KK) that dominates AK, and you are crushing the other big aces. Sure you are racing a lot of other hands, but AK can expect small pairs to fold to his shove in your initial example. Hero is correctly leveraging AK's fold equity preflop, and runs into only one of two hands that has him dominated = cooler. [/QUOTE]

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