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Message: [QUOTE="Tygran, post: 819940, member: 25662"] Sure math is involved. Now you, realize this: 1) Most people SUCK at math. I should know. I teach it. It directly follows that most people who play poker also SUCK at math. 2) Most fish think only in terms of results. Absolutely nothing else. If they win they made the right calls all the way, if they lose they did not. I've had plenty of them tell me this verbatim (never mind they only had 1, 2, 5, 8, however many outs. Half of them think outs are something from a baseball game anyway and has nothing to do with poker). Sheesh. If you are going to berate math skills then at least have your own math facts right. I mentioned people are bad at math? People, generally, are horribly worse at probabilistic concepts. The number of cards that have been folded/mucked/burned are totally irrelevant to calculating the probabilities of stuff. The only cards you can "not count" are the ones you can directly account for. AKA the 2 in you hand + whatever is on the board. If you really wish this then you just have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You want to play at a table with 7 sharks all the time? Cause... they suck at math and don't really understand what a bad beat is? I've honestly talked to people who believe it isn't a bad beat if they have a "good hand preflop (nevermind you have a better one) or, probably my favorite, "it's not a bad beat if I flop the set after all the money goes in preflop with my JJ vs your AA, because I made my hand on the flop after all. If I had hit it on the river it would have been a bad beat". (I honestly saw someone say this) What do you expect someone who doesn't understand any of the mathematical concepts and is only results oriented to say? As far as they are concerned, they won therefore they outplayed you. Expecting them to think anything else is a complete waste of time and effort. On a serious note, donkeys will always be a part of poker. And you should be very grateful for that fact. /and from time to time all of us need to remind ourselves of that, myself included. [/QUOTE]

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