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Message: [QUOTE="tru2who, post: 820527, member: 30047"] you are rright, those who said 45 instead of 29...there are only 29 left, but they can't know what the folding hands were...so basically my math was wrong to the people giving them more credit with 8 outs in 29 is better than 8 out of 40, none the less, either way they are drawing to slim chances of hitting. And yes, if i am at a 10 player table I do want 7 sharks and 2 fish or 6 sharks and 3 fish, then me...you can't bet a donkey off a pocket pair K-10-9 on board and a guy calling down with 8-8 is a fish, I mean how can u call that in an online game? It's barely plausible in a live game unless you world class at reading people and know 100% your 8-8 is ahead after all 5 cards are on the board. You can't bluff a bad player, truest statement ever. You can bluff a great player, and Bluffing in NL is crucial. If you wait for monsters in a game u are going to donate and then end up going all in and barely have any profit. You have to play the players at some point and not your cards....leading me to the saying "I'll play my cards you play yours"...well I think "ok fish, you play your cards, and I'll play off my read on you" another stupid ass thing "I know you got me, but I gotta call" NO, you DONT have to call, if you think you are beat why are you donating? ...mostly hate it when I am on a stone cold bluff and they call thinking they are beat and are rewarded for what is to me a BAD CALL...if you call thinking you are beat it is a bad call, PERIOD. If you call someone all in wit 10 high and say "I know my 10 hi is good, I call" Now that is a great call....i dunno maybe i am insane...just don't understand people that put their tournaments on a coinflip calling...its a different thing to bet all in than it is to call all in. You can raise wit anything, but calling is much different. [/QUOTE]

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