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Message: [QUOTE="Divebitch, post: 1225795, member: 39020"] Some great discussion on a fantastic topic. Daniel makes a great case for being televised right here... [COLOR=blue]"Obviously I'm talking about online sites here. In past years the event has seen lots and lots of sponsored pros in event. Frankly, [B]a lot of those players aren't exactly world class which adds EV to the grinders who play mixed cash games for a living[/B]. These sponsored players would never consider putting up $50,000 to play in the event, but if their sponsors are willing to back them, they'll absolutely give it a go.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]So first you have about 25-30 sponsored players absent from the event, and then another 25-30 or so who don't think the tournament has enough value in it without the sponsored pros. We instantly lose out on 1/3 of the field, all because we didn't respect the fact that HORSE on TV doesn't work, and that [B]TV is necessary to maintain the prestige of the event[/B]."[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][COLOR=black]However, I must disagree with his last statement. The players themselves plunking down 50k are fully aware of the [B]prestige[/B] lent by a good HORSE finish against the cream of the crop. Why would they care about the masses of asses who cannot [B]appreciate[/B] a game of Razz or Omaha HL, and are only interested in the big stars playing NLHE? Guess what though? Alongside Gus, Ivey, Scotty N, and Brunson, you'll find names most layman won't even recognize, like Giang, Monnette, Chiu, Glantz, Habib, and Chen.[/COLOR] [/COLOR] Excellent point. One clarification. HORSE is a specialty [B]of sorts[/B]. Yes, you must be somewhat skilled at all 5 games, but you must be an expert at 1) the disciplines inherent in limit, and 2) stud. Razz & Stud H/L are still Stud games, just variations. But that even furthers your point about perversion. And further [B]still[/B], it is [B]grossly[/B] unfair to the players who are experts in these 'specialties', having for 4 days grinded and clawed their way to the final table, to have to play NLHE, a game requiring wildly different skills, even from [B]Limit HE[/B]. Final table is where you make the big money - each person eliminated becomes a huge jump in cash. Beautifully put, Reducto, sums it up nicely. I think there are possibly a couple reasons HORSE might fall flat on TV. 1) People aren't familiar with games other than NLHE, so they don't care. You have to give it more time than 1 televised event. 2) The coverage/reporting for mixed events are inept at the games, thus not able to present it in an interesting, exciting, and knowledgeable way. -1 You were kidding though, right? :cool: While I'm sure most of the 50k HORSE player are at least someone adept at NLHE, many having cut their teeth on it, I doubt the ones with overwhelming success in limit would be in the mood to entertain anyone. LOL! Yup, yup, yup, and yup. [/QUOTE]

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