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Message: [QUOTE="Jack Daniels, post: 1230665, member: 1954"] I probably know much less about the WSOP than most people, but I did know they have multiple HORSE events. I don't think knowing/not knowing about an event in the WSOP is exactly case in point. Well I don't know that I'd have [U]more[/U] respect for his POV if he was arguing for all the events; I'd still think it was just as flawed. But I also wouldn't say he was FOS about his motives. The fact he only wants the one HORSE event to be corrupted speaks directly to his motives and it isn't about the advancement of poker/HORSE by getting on TV. Poker advancement due to being on TV is actually just a by-product of his true motives which is for certain folks to FR into the event because it's a $50k entry tournament on TV and they can get his sponsor pay for. I can pretty much guarantee that DN wouldn't have said a single thing about the $50k HORSE at all if sponsors were going to pay entry fees even without being on TV. Help me understand how changing the FT table of a [B]HORSE[/B] event to NLHE makes it more prestigious. In theory (based on this events design), the FT should be the best HORSE players, so why not let the best HORSE player win it and be known as the the best. DN says he thinks he plays all the games very well, but I don't think anyone here would argue that DN plays NLHE better than any of those limit games. So from his perspective, making the FT greatly influences his chances of winning since while he can play the other games well he likely crushes a lot of those limit holdem players that have to play NLHE at the final table. That also speaks to his motive. This event is geared specifically to eliminate most chances of a amateur player making the final table. So then that means the FT will be made up of some pretty skilled HORSE players. If I was DN, I too would want the FT to be changed to NLHE where I could most likely be the best NLHE player at the table and easily finish at the top or win it. I did mention this earlier. Part of my issue here is actually what it is called. The event is [B]H.O.R.S.E[/B]. That means it is those five [B]limit[/B] games played in that order. No where in that game is there NLHE. So make an event called something else like "Prestigious All-Around Poker Champion Event" where the game is a HORSE format until FT and FT is NLHE. If they do that then I would drop my argument because that is at least reasonable. When they asked for the event they said they wanted it to be HORSE and $50k, so that is what they got and what it should be...$50k entry and HORSE to the end. I think you're misinterpreting what I said a little (or maybe I didnt' say it well). Poker is, in fact, a self-supporting thing; that's not debatable. Being on TV does not change the fact that an entry fee in paid for every person in the event (being on TV may change who pays that fee, but that's part of the blog whine discussion). Yes, poker did need the kick start of TV to gain the popularity it did. And having it on TV does continue to help its popularity (though with the market saturation for the last several years I think the incremental value is pretty debatable). But I guess my point was that not having this one event on TV will not break poker at all. Not in any conceivable way would it take a hit because the $50k HORSE* ([SIZE=1]*With HLHE FT) [/SIZE][SIZE=2]wasn't broadcast. Not broadcasting simply means the entrants all have to pay to play. If it's about prestige of winning and being known as the best (especially among those that know you and actually care about such things), then being recorded and put on TV has nothing to do with that. Winning the event carries the prestige alone. Being broadcast simply spreads the news before other mediums (well except for twitter maybe :)). [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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