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Message: [QUOTE="thepokerkid123, post: 1522708, member: 58945"] No more additions? "yeah, I look for this...", "I've noticed that regs start looking for tells at Xnl they can be mislead by...", "I think to apply tells well you need to estimate it's reliability and apply that to their range like such..." (the last one is pretty much viewing tells the same as we do combinatorics) And to respond to the latest posts: That's just it. Most of what I wrote isn't looking for stress... well, it is, but it's more precisely positive or negative. If he's licking his lips (and he hasn't been sitting there doing that a lot while not in a hand) then I'm taking it as "he's got a hand he wants to value bet" and not "he's stressed". Exactly. Anyone who doesn't think fish pay attention to tells should look through the threads here on CC and see the newer players all saying "I had this guy on -insert specific hand-". People don't start playing poker to start narrowing down ranges and figuring out game theory, they start playing poker in the style it was written in super system and it's advertised on t.v poker, they want to stare their opponents down and make a hero call or bluff. They want to reinact what they saw in Rounders. I think they care more about tells than they do about pot odds (and most fish do know pot odds, even if they have dumb ideas about applying them), that's why I don't like using tells that you're likely to read in a top 10 tells list. That is a new one to me. Glad you mentioned it. Mind you, wouldn't the medications simply make their pupils less responsive? Since we're looking for changes, we're more likely to just not see anything than be mislead? Dunno, just throwing it out there. Just some random other comments, and FWIW, I don't know why I keep rambling on and sharing information but I guess I'm still hoping for more in return. Some common problems with tells: Foreign people. This isn't racist (for one, I'm foreign to 90% of you guys). As was already mentioned, they can have different mannerisms but in addition to that, they do all look the same at first. What I mean is that for a long time I was terrified of tables full of people of a certain skin colour, wonderful people as most of them were, if you haven't spent a whole lot of time around people of a different ethnicity it's really hard to see subtleties. The sollution is just to spend heaps of time with them and eventually different muscles will start standing out in their faces. Also, old guys. Some old women too, but men are worse. You know when their face looks like it's turned to leather and just doesn't move, it's just frozen in a permanent scowl? Also, possibly just because I'm a young bloke but you get some of these old timers who get offended by the millions of wannabe-internet-pros who play too aggressively for their liking, and they just look angry all the time. These old guys reduce me to just playing poker (pretty much treating it as online poker), and it's lucky that they're all so horrible at the game. If anyone has a sollution to this, I'd like to hear it. Then you've got drunks who you don't really need tells against, and I guess if you played poker seriously against friends/family it'd be hard too (easier to be objective when there's an emotional distance). [/QUOTE]

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