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Message: [QUOTE="Grossberger, post: 1310845, member: 55797"] The owner made the correct decision. It's the same thing as if the dealer had burn and turned before the betting was complete he would leave the burn card reshuffle the remaining cards and go from there. Here are a few rules from Roberts Rules of Poker that may cover your question. [INDENT]1. [COLOR=#663300]Once [/COLOR][URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#action"][COLOR=#0000ff]action[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#663300] begins, a [/COLOR][URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#misdeal"][COLOR=#0000ff]misdeal[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#663300] cannot be called. The deal will be played, and no money will be returned to any player whose hand is fouled. In [/COLOR][URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#buttongame"][COLOR=#0000ff]button game[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#663300], [/COLOR][URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#action"][COLOR=#0000ff]action[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#663300] is considered to occur when two players after the [/COLOR][URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#blind"][COLOR=#0000ff]blind[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#663300] have acted on their hands. In stud games, action is considered to occur when two players after the forced [/COLOR][URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#bet"][COLOR=#0000ff]bet[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#663300] have acted on their hands.[/COLOR] 2. The following circumstances cause a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#misdeal"][COLOR=#0000ff]misdeal[/COLOR][/URL], provided attention is called to the error before two players have acted on their hands. [INDENT](a) The first or second card of the hand has been dealt faceup or exposed through dealer error. (b) Two or more cards have been exposed by the dealer. (c) Two or more [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#boxedcard"][COLOR=#0000ff]boxed card[/COLOR][/URL]s (improperly faced cards) are found. (d) Two or more extra cards have been dealt in the starting hands of a game. (e) An incorrect number of cards has been dealt to a player, except the top card may be dealt if it goes to the player in proper sequence. (f) Any card has been dealt out of the proper sequence (except an exposed card may be replaced by the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#burncard"][COLOR=#0000ff]burncard[/COLOR][/URL]). (g) The [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#button"][COLOR=#0000ff]button[/COLOR][/URL] was out of [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#position"][COLOR=#0000ff]position[/COLOR][/URL] . (h) The first card was dealt to the wrong [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#position"][COLOR=#0000ff]position[/COLOR][/URL] . (i) Cards have been dealt to an empty seat or a player not entitled to a hand. (j) A player has been dealt out who is entitled to a hand. This player must be present at the table or have posted a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#blind"][COLOR=#0000ff]blind[/COLOR][/URL] or [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#ante"][COLOR=#0000ff]ante[/COLOR][/URL]. [B]IRREGULARITIES[/B] [INDENT]1. In [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#buttongame"][COLOR=#0000ff]button game[/COLOR][/URL]s, if it is discovered that the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#button"][COLOR=#0000ff]button[/COLOR][/URL] was placed incorrectly on the previous hand, the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#button"][COLOR=#0000ff]button[/COLOR][/URL] and blinds will be corrected for the new hand in a manner that gives every player one chance for each [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#position"][COLOR=#0000ff]position[/COLOR][/URL] on the round (if possible). 2. You must protect your own hand at all times. Your cards may be protected with your hands, a chip, or other object placed on top of them. If you fail to protect your hand, you will have no redress if it becomes fouled or the dealer accidentally kills it. 3. If a card with a different color back appears during a hand, all [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#action"][COLOR=#0000ff]action[/COLOR][/URL] is void and all chips in the pot are returned to the respective bettors. If a card with a different color back is discovered in the stub, all [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#action"][COLOR=#0000ff]action[/COLOR][/URL] stands. 4. If two cards of the same rank and suit are found, all [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#action"][COLOR=#0000ff]action[/COLOR][/URL] is void, and all chips in the pot are returned to the players who wagered them (subject to next rule). 5. A player who knows the deck is defective has an obligation to point this out. If such a player instead tries to win a pot by taking aggressive [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#action"][COLOR=#0000ff]action[/COLOR][/URL] (trying for a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#freeroll"][COLOR=#0000ff]freeroll[/COLOR][/URL] ), the player may lose the right to a refund, and the chips may be required to stay in the pot for the next deal. 6. If there is extra money in the pot on a deal as a result of forfeited money from the previous deal (as per rule #5), or some similar reason, only a player dealt in on the previous deal is entitled to a hand. 7. A card discovered faceup in the deck ([URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#boxedcard"][COLOR=#0000ff]boxed card[/COLOR][/URL]) will be treated as a meaningless scrap of paper. A card being treated as a scrap of paper will be replaced by the next card below it in the deck, except when the next card has already been dealt facedown to another player and mixed in with other [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#downcards"][COLOR=#0000ff]downcards[/COLOR][/URL]. In that case, the card that was faceup in the deck will be replaced after all other cards are dealt for that round. 8. A [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#joker"][COLOR=#0000ff]joker[/COLOR][/URL] that appears in a game where it is not used is treated as a scrap of paper. Discovery of a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#joker"][COLOR=#0000ff]joker[/COLOR][/URL] does not cause a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#misdeal"][COLOR=#0000ff]misdeal[/COLOR][/URL]. If the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#joker"][COLOR=#0000ff]joker[/COLOR][/URL] is discovered before a player acts on his or her hand, it is replaced as in the previous rule. If the player does not call attention to the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#joker"][COLOR=#0000ff]joker[/COLOR][/URL] before acting, then the player has a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#deadhand"][COLOR=#0000ff]dead hand[/COLOR][/URL]. 9. If you play a hand without looking at all of your cards, you assume the liability of having an irregular card or an improper [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#joker"][COLOR=#0000ff]joker[/COLOR][/URL]. 10. One or more cards missing from the deck does not invalidate the results of a hand. 11. Before the first round of betting, if a dealer deals one additional card, it is returned to the deck and used as the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#burncard"][COLOR=#0000ff]burncard[/COLOR][/URL]. 12. Procedure for an exposed card varies with the poker form, and is given in the section for each game. A card that is flashed by a dealer is treated as an exposed card. A card that is flashed by a player will play. To obtain a ruling on whether a card was exposed and should be replaced, a player should announce that the card was flashed or exposed before looking at it. A downcard dealt off the table is an exposed card. 13. If a card is exposed due to dealer error, a player does not have an [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#option"][COLOR=#0000ff]option[/COLOR][/URL] to take or reject the card. The situation will be governed by the rules for the particular game being played. 14. If you drop a card on the floor out of your hand, you must still play that card. 15. If the dealer prematurely deals any cards before the betting is complete, those cards will not play, even if a player who has not acted decides to [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter3.php#fold"][COLOR=#0000ff]fold[/COLOR][/URL]. 16. If the dealer fails to burn a card or burns more than one card, the error should be corrected if discovered before betting action has started for that round. Once action has been taken on a boardcard, the card must stand. Whether the error is able to be corrected or not, subsequent cards dealt should be those that would have come if no error had occurred. For example, if two cards were burned, one of the cards should be put back on the deck and used for the burncard on the next round. On the last round, if there was no betting because a player was all-in, the error should be corrected if discovered before the pot has been awarded, provided the deck stub, boardcards, and burncards are all sufficiently intact to determine the proper replacement card. 17. If the deck stub gets fouled for some reason, such as the dealer believing the deal is over and dropping the deck, the deal must still be played out, and the deck reconstituted in as fair a way as possible. [/INDENT][B]RULES[/B] [INDENT]These rules deal only with irregularities. See the previous chapter, “Button and Blind Use,” for rules on that subject. 1. If the initial holecard dealt is exposed, a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#misdeal"][COLOR=#0000ff]misdeal[/COLOR][/URL] results. The dealer will retrieve the card, reshuffle, and recut the cards. If any other holecard is exposed due to a dealer error, the deal continues. The exposed card may not be kept. After completing the hand, the dealer replaces the card with the top card on the deck, and the exposed card is then used for the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#burncard"][COLOR=#0000ff]burncard[/COLOR][/URL]. If more than one holecard is exposed, this is a [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#misdeal"][COLOR=#0000ff]misdeal[/COLOR][/URL] and there must be a redeal. 2. If the dealer mistakenly deals the first player an extra card (after all players have received their starting hands), the card will be returned to the deck and used for the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#burncard"][COLOR=#0000ff]burncard[/COLOR][/URL]. If the dealer mistakenly deals more than one extra card, it is a misdeal. 3. If the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#flop"][COLOR=#0000ff]flop[/COLOR][/URL] contains too many cards, it must be redealt. (This applies even if it were possible to know which card was the extra one.) [COLOR=#663300]4. If the dealer failed to burn a card before dealing the flop, or burned two cards, the error should be rectified by using the proper burncard and flop, if no boardcards were exposed. The deck must be reshuffled if any boardcards were exposed. [/COLOR] 5. If the dealer burns and turns before a betting round is complete, the card(s) may not be used, even if all subsequent players elect to fold. Nobody has an option of accepting or rejecting the card. The betting is then completed, and the error rectified in the prescribed manner for that situation. [COLOR=#663300]6 . If the dealer fails to burn a card or burns more than one card, the error should be corrected if discovered before betting action has started for that round. Once action has been taken on a boardcard by any player, the card must stand. Whether the error is able to be corrected or not, subsequent cards dealt should be those that would have come if no error had occurred. For example, if two cards were burned, one of the cards should be put back on the deck and used for the burncard on the next round. If there was no betting on a round because a player was all-in, the error should be corrected if discovered before the pot has been awarded. [/COLOR]7. If the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#flop"][COLOR=#0000ff]flop[/COLOR][/URL] needs to be redealt because the cards were prematurely flopped before the betting was complete, or the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#flop"][COLOR=#0000ff]flop[/COLOR][/URL] contained too many cards, the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#boardcard"][COLOR=#0000ff]boardcard[/COLOR][/URL]s are mixed with the remainder of the deck. The [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#burncard"][COLOR=#0000ff]burncard[/COLOR][/URL] remains on the table. After shuffling, the dealer cuts the deck and deals a new [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#flop"][COLOR=#0000ff]flop[/COLOR][/URL] without burning a card. [See “[URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter16.php#4"][COLOR=#0000ff]Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #4[/COLOR][/URL], for more information on this rule.] 8. A dealing error for the fourth boardcard is rectified in a manner to least influence the identity of the boardcards that would have been used without the error. The dealer burns and deals what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card's place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and deals the final card without burning a card. If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner. [See “[URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter16.php#4"][COLOR=#0000ff]Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #4[/COLOR][/URL], for more information on this rule.] 9. You must declare that you are playing the [URL="http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter5-7.php#board"][COLOR=#0000ff]board[/COLOR][/URL] before you throw your cards away; otherwise you relinquish all claim to the pot. [COLOR=#663300](The rule for tournament play is you must retain your hand and show it if asked, in order to win part of the pot.)[/COLOR] [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] [/QUOTE]

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