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Message: [QUOTE="CupOfSalt, post: 2788773, member: 153173"] As a fellow dealer.... Cards speak my friend! If the cards are tabled face up then it is our responsibility as the dealer to read the hand. Even if the cards are tossed towards the muck, as long as they clearly identifiable then it is a tabled hand. If you had any questions whatsoever during the hand in a situation like this then it is ALWAYS best to immediately call the floor. As a dealer are supposed to enforce the rules, not make rulings or make judgement calls. That's the floor's responsibility. If he threw the cards face up towards the muck then the hand is tabled and therefore the cards speak. His hand is not dead. This is actually incorrect (generally). If the cards 'touch' the muck but are clearly identifiable then the floor can retrieve the hand and it is not head. However, if the hand is IN the muck and mixed up, then you are approaching judgement call territory but typically at that point the hand would be considered dead (though I have seen situations where this was not the case but that is not considered usual). Also, per your "intention" part of the post... It is irrelevant because as soon as a player tables his hand face up, it is the dealer's responsibility to properly read the hand because cards speak for themselves. This is correct. It is not the dealer's call at all. The dealer cannot make a judgement call on whether to read a hand that has been tabled face up (regardless of if it hit the muck) because the dealer HAS to read a hand that has been tabled face up. If a player argued or contested this, then at that point it would be the [b][i]floor's[/i][/b] call on whether the hand is dead or not. The dealer should [b]never[/b] make a judgement call like that. This is incorrect. If the player throws his hand to the muck [b]face up[/b] then it is incorrect because the hand would be considered tabled at that point and is live. If the player throws his hand to the muck face down and then immediately yells out HEY WAIT I THINK I HAD THE WINNING HAND then the hand can still be turned face up and tabled so long as the cards are identifiable. If the player throws his hand to the muck face down, and then immediately yells out HEY WAIT I THINK I HAD THE WINNING HAND but the dealer has already mixed the hand into the muck, [b]typically[/b] then the hand would be considered unidentifiable and dead. At the point, the floor would be called to make a ruling on the hand being dead. [i]However[/i], I have seen the floor called in this exact situation. The floor asked the player to name their two specific cards and the floor had the dealer search through the muck to see if the two cards were in there in order to table the hand. The hand was considered tabled and the pot awarded to the player with that hand. This is was a highly unusual situation and I myself, personally, did not agree with that ruling. It should be important to note that in reality every poker room has different rules and ultimately rulings/decisions like these come down to the floor person making a call on the situation. This is not exactly correct. Read my posts above. [/QUOTE]

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