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Message: [QUOTE="fletchdad, post: 1488034, member: 65205"] I stumbled across a post where a player spoke of playing in games with his coach. (I will include quotes here, but the thread was [URL]https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/tournament-late-registration-176866/[/URL] ) OP said "I am learning a little at a time and have a super player as my coach. We talk/email back & forth quite often. We played in 3 of the same games within the last 5-7 days. I get nervous playing against him, but have done fairly well." and had a response "I would not consider doing that too often, it is a form of cheating called collusion and Full Tilt will kick you off and keep your money." to which I said "I understand what you are saying here, but would like to know what others think about this. I done see it as collusion based on OPs choice of wording. It doesent sound like they are chating while playing, tho I would guess there is chat going on after the game, so his coach can go through some hand analysis with him. He said he was nervous playing against his coach, so I suspect softplaying is not going on. OP may take a re raise from his coach as a danger signal, as he respects the coaches play, but since I believe they are playing the same games so his coach can spot some leaks, than I suspect his coach would play rough against him as against any other player. Hes not a good coach if he does not exploit weak play and point it out after the game. Since they obviously are familiar with each others playing style, they will make decisions accordingly, but is this not just poker, keeping tabs on how someone plays and then making your plays based on your knowledge? As long as no comunication or softplaying or any other breach of rules is happening, is this still a form of breach of ettiquet? I dont see it so yet." Now I dont need links to Poker dictionary's or wikipedia, I know the definition. But I dont suspect any pre agreements or anything of the sort, nor do I think the coach would make special plays only for his student or vice versa, nor did I whiff any other practice which reeks of collusion. Maybe it is happening with them, I just dont get that feeling from what I read. I would actually like to play in some games with players I respect (if they will have me) so they could do HA with me later. It would be more enticing than just railing me, as they could win money as well, and still observe me play for later coaching and comments. What do you all think? Of course the danger of being ion a game with the same guy too much can raise suspicion, cant a guy/girl (or sean pilgrim - see his "I wish I was a girl" thread lol) play against his/her mentor as long as play is as aggressive or weak as it would be against any other player? [/QUOTE]

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