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Message: [QUOTE="puzzlefish, post: 4912713, member: 307275"] This is a great question. It can be applied to online and/or live poker. Both can be an illusion and both can be real. In live poker, for example, all it takes for it to be an illusion is a dealer that can perform card magic. It is one of the oldest crafts in magic. If the dealer is honest and shuffles the cards properly, then the poker game is real but can still be an illusion in the minds of the players who may think they are better or worse than they really are. Perhaps there is a real poker card game and an illusion coexisting at the same time. In online poker, anything is possible. Nobody knows anything but claim some things as an absolute certainty nonetheless. [/QUOTE]