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Message: [QUOTE="RamdeeBen, post: 1749460, member: 71146"] I think Ivey is the perfect example of one who rarely ever uses odds based on a call or not. He uses more feel and can put someone on a hand 9times out of 10. I think he's the only player who can call a 4 bet out of position with 2,5 and get someone to fold their pocket Aces. In fact, I think Ivey can get someone to put down Aces preflop by actually making the other person think he's holding two pairs of aces, haha he's that good. [/QUOTE]