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Message: [QUOTE="N.D., post: 1299669, member: 30036"] When did I say you don't get your chips in when you're a huge favorite? What I said was that some players will chase no matter what. In a freeroll I'm surrounded by players with various levels of experience, even the occasional player who normally plays at the high end of micro or low end of low stakes, but happens to be broke, or decided to do the $0-$10k thing. Thing is those players are vastly outnumbered by beginners. Beginners love to see flops. They just love to see them cheaply. I'm gonna get more chips off of them than if I use more traditional strategies, plus I have the option to fold when things don't pan out. I do love having options. They love to see flops and they love to chase. Yeah I know there's always one who will call all-in preflop with a baby pair or three gapped or whatever, but most of the time, yeah they wanna see that flop cheap, and then they'll chase no matter what. By keeping the pot initially small, whatever percentage I bet of the pot stays small, just not in relation to the pot itself. Most players(in a freeroll or at the very bottom of real money) aren't looking at "What percentage of the pot or my stack, is it going to cost me to call?". They're looking at weird stuff like "I can't fold now, it's such a nice big pot." even if they don't actually have odds to call(cuz it's only big cuz of your raise and everyone else folded. So a big raise pre-flop's gonna make some of them think "Ooh this is a nice big pot to get into". That can work for me or against me, but it can very easily tie my hands and cut off all my options. Then you've got the flop. Don't forget, I'm not even putting them on hands 'till we've played for a little while. Let's say I'm top pair top kicker with a really good flush draw. That's a nice spot to be in, it's also a nice spot to pump the pot in. I can chase any of the better players out with a relatively small bet at this point. Not tiny mind you, but still 1/2 to 3/4. One might even have bottom set and fold it with overcards and a flush draw on the board, it happens. So they've folded the best hand at the moment. Yeah, happens... I'm sorta chasing just as much as the so called fish. Anyway, they call and I turn my flush, but it's also an out for one's straight(or they have 2 pair) and it's an inferior flush for another. Funny thing about little flushes. People don't like to fold with them. So I still have some options. I'll usually bet around 25% of the pot or shove as soon as I have my flush. People still hate to fold their little flushes, and for some reason there are folks who either think everyone's bluffing no matter what or they think that straights beat flushes. I'm not making this up. But then some think that a pair + quads beats quads with an A or K kicker. So the straight draw or two pair is still in it(I'm amazed by how many can't fold 2 pair even when their boat doesn't fill up by the river, even if the board's screaming "YOU CAN'T WIN! FOLD DUMMY!". River gives them their straight or fails to give 'em a full house and yep they're in it anyway(not every single time but enough times to build my stack up), and remember the little flush just can't bring themself to fold no matter what. So with a little patience(and willingness to fold with a smaller investment if I don't hit or perceive weakness beyond chasing), I'm winning more than I would with obvious aggression. Obvious aggression chases out the chicken who wants to chase for cheap, and the player who likes baby flushes. But less obvious aggression and trying to maintain control over the pot size wins me most of both of their stacks if not all of their stacks. I don't see how that's bad or failing to get my chips in good. I'm still getting them in good, just not all at once pre-flop or on the flop. So far as I can see, getting them in good pre-flop or on the flop just takes away all fault. "I had AA and it just didn't work out", am I still gonna hang on to AA if the board flops flush and not suited to one of my aces? If I shoved all-in pre-flop when I would be getting my chips in good then yeah, no choice, that board better start pairing and fast, oh yeah A on the turn and paired board on the river, pretty please. But if I didn't get 'em all in good, then yeah, that board flops flush and I can get away from it. Just saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat, but patience seems to work better in freerolls. When I'm impatient I find myself out somewhere near the bottom. When I'm patient I do very well. I'm not always patient, that's a flaw. But when I am, and not trying to get everything in all at once, it works out better for me. And my stack does get bigger and deeper so... [/QUOTE]

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