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Message: [QUOTE="BelgoSuisse, post: 1078819, member: 30299"] meh, it's the same. Limpers are just more dead money, imo. Same with blinds that defend by flatting too much. All dead money asking to come into my pockets... :D Besides, :adore: zach :adore: is always right when he talks about cash games. I'm sorry, but what do you call a bluff? Unless you have the absolute nuts, the absolute worst hand or you've seen villain's cards, whenever you bet you are value betting part of villain's range and bluffing against the rest. When I cbet a flop, i don't know if i'm bluffing or not. When I fire a second barrel, i don't know if i'm bluffing or not. I do know that i like the EV of betting given the combination of my estimates of fold equity and the equity of my hand versus villain's range of possible hands. Pure bluffs where you know you're beat and fire hoping exclusively for fold equity are extremely rare in cash games where you play 100+ bb deep. [/QUOTE]