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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 649877, member: 26306"] So because football players have complained about luck involved, wind, crowd noise, etc. they decide to take the duplicate approach. Somehow they control nature such that it's exactly the same in 2 stadiums. 4 teams play, one side getting the exact same conditions as the corresponding team in the other game. The winner is the team that wins by more or loses by less than the other team with the same luck factor as themselves. So you're the Patriots and playing the Colts. You do decently, catch a few breaks, and end up winning 21-20. Meanwhile the other game is a kids' league, both sides throwing constant bombs. They get the similar luck factor that you did, but it's magnified because they are throwing caution to the wind. Constant blitzes and bombs. You are better than your opponent (theoretically), the Colts. You are better than your corresponding team getting the luck factor. In fact you were probably the best team of the 4. But because the Colts were so much better than the opponent of your kids' league correspondent, you weren't able to pick up a win by 50 points, despite luck. So you're probably the best of the 4, yet you are one of the bottom 2 that lose. Eliminates luck? Yeah right. To this date, I have yet to have a margin of win/loss of more than the other table. This means that the only thing that matters is whether my corresponding player at the other table wins or loses. My play is literally irrelevant. I may as well fold every hand, because that would get the same result. If people at the other table are pushing with bottom pair, how do I beat it? Do I push with anything as well? I'm supposed to win if I'm better than my corresponding player, but this increases luck. If I play better, I'm not pushing as much, because in 6 hands, I'm hypothetically not going to win very many big pots. Yet I see these other tables winning by margins of more than 3 all-ins. They got the same cards, how does this happen? The idea seemed interesting, but in practice it's horrible. I'm glad they gave me free money, but I'm never depositing one cent onto that site. The real way to eliminate luck is to play within your means and play over a long period of time. If you flip a 55-45 coin a million times, you'll end up ahead. If you flip your 55-45 coin and hope it wins more than a (hypothetically, since you don't know these opponents) 50-50 coin with a standard deviation MUCH MUCH higher than yours, it comes out not much better than 50-50. Factor in rake and it's worse than that. EDIT: Analysis should be analogy in title, can't change it though [/QUOTE]

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