durrr scares me

dudemanstan · Jul 13, 2013

I have come across one player I just do not want to play against ever

But still how could Phil call this. Its crazy. I would have folded here no doubt.
He was tripin at the end lol he could not look Phil in the face

Enzo1089 · Jul 13, 2013

Much agreed. Tom Dwan is the last person I would ever want to come up against at a table....well then again Phil Ivey would be SCARY. Dwan is actually my favorite poker player out there right now. Not favorite as in "he's the best there is," but he is my personal favorite to watch.

And I have no idea how Hellmuth managed to get himself into that predicament. Obvious trip 10 opportunity, and you're sitting there with a low 2 pair. How he called all the way up to the river....and then called the all in is beyond me. I'm not sure I would've been out after the flop. I may have folded the turn. If not though, definitely the river.

EDIT: Also pretty amazing Hellmuth didn't go off after that one. Dwan just owned him on that one.....and I think Phil knew it.

JT Kaufman · Jul 13, 2013

Dwan for me is a genius, be there without moving or evoking any typical expression, so Phil could not read, are 8 minutes of video (not counting the time it went off the air) in which Dwan remains off without showing anything, that's what makes it unpredictable, may have been bluffing all the time, and that is what in my opinion Phil paid the price to see it was not a bluff.

Edit: At the same words of Phil, at minute 8:14, He is believed winner and believes it is a bluff.

Aleksei · Jul 13, 2013

Admittedly folding against durrr is tough, because he has so much air in his range in so many spots.

Jackle43 · Jul 13, 2013

Aleksei said:
Admittedly folding against durrr is tough, because he has so much air in his range in so many spots.

True, but this call shows why Hellmuth looses at cash imo.
Though it probably was a bit of a hero for camera awell.

Jackle43 · Jul 13, 2013

Watch this hand!
Two greats of the game. Cant believe ivey considers the river bet for this long haha

Aleksei · Jul 13, 2013

Jackle43 said:
True, but this call shows why Hellmuth looses at cash imo.

Maybe, but from what I've seen of Phil he's actually kind of a nit normally. This is a bit out of character unless he's convinced Tom has air.

Enzo1089 · Jul 14, 2013

Jackle43 said:
Watch this hand!
Two greats of the game. Cant believe ivey considers the river bet for this long haha

Wow. That is a crazy hand. And this is also why I consider Tom Dwan one of the best. That video also personifies why he is my favorite poker player to watch. Over 500K in the pot and Dwan doesn't give anything away to Ivey besides the fact that he seems a little bit nervous...but who wouldn't be?! He had AIR. I think I'd be climbing to the very top of the walls of anxiety if I was up against Phil Ivey with that much money on the line, knowing that I don't even have a hand.

Thanks for posting that video. That was a very entertaining ten minutes....and it's always funny to hear Laak's banter. Strange to hear him silent....but he bore witness to one of the greatest poker hands ever.

Aleksei · Jul 14, 2013

He "seemed a little nervous"? Dude looked like he was about to have a panic attack. The only reason Phil folded was that he could literally only beat a bluff and there was some minor chance Tom was leveling him to induce a call.

jcdagenius · Jul 14, 2013

durr played this hand perfect.....they have history where durr 3 bets him often so hellmuth could easily put him on a bluff.....this is funny.........but durr is pure genius

groggy44 · Jul 17, 2013

the hand that made me a fan of durr.
Previously, I just assumed he liked to gamble and ran good.
This kid knows what he is doing.
If Bill Gates gave me $3billion and durr sat at my table even at 2cent/4cent, I'm walking the f out

postflopper · Jul 18, 2013

Kid's a genius, what's there to say. But he'll never truly be considered as good a poker player as Ivey in the purest sense of the word 'poker', as he has never proven himself in the other variants, nor in the tournament context.

Aleksei · Jul 18, 2013

He's young and tournament poker is an effing crapshoot. Give it time.

Also, I get the feeling he makes these ridiculous bluffs when the camera's rolling so that people will sit down at his table and make ridiculous hero calls and rebluffs so that he can profit.

I mean... if he did this shit all the time I'd just call his river shoves with any top pair on almost any board texture. But I think he just WANTS me to think he plays like that.

RichL · Jul 18, 2013

If you know he's regularly betting big with air and it's almost impossible to read him then i guess opponents will just have to stand up to him from time to time and hope its a bluff.

NateVest · Jul 18, 2013

I think Tom Dwan is one of the best bluffers out there, but I agree that he does this on televised events so he gets the Hero call like Helmuth made in the big events. This was a +300k pot so the fact that Dwan stood there expressionless made the bet even greater. Funny how the young players are taking over and pushing the old legends out of the game. Pokers circle of life

Viktor Blom is better IMO.

Tom1559 · Jul 18, 2013

I know Dwan can be a bit scary at times with his play but I just cannot see how Hellmuth can make that call. Scary stuff.

NateVest · Jul 18, 2013

Jackle43 said:
Watch this hand!
Two greats of the game. Cant believe ivey considers the river bet for this long haha
Tom 'Durrr' Dwan vs Phil Ivey - High Stakes Poker 2010 Big Bluff! - YouTube

Just imagine buying into the wsop main event for your first time and getting a seat at a table like this table. Whenever I have bought into big events, there have been big names like Helmuth, Moneymaker, Crum, Tilly, and Ariea. I feel excited when I see players of that caliber in the same game as me and I can only hope to end the game busting them and sending them to the rail, now that would be a story I would pass down to my grand kids. Playing with this much money at once amazes me, I could only hope for a bankroll of that size to get me through the WSOP series events vs playing with it at a high stakes cash game. These games are probably the only games that bring excitement to these tenured players now given they have all won millions of dollars in the game we all know and love.

groggy44 · Jul 18, 2013

1st he announced his hand before the flop
2nd He blew the doors open with that river shove. If he were playing even 25/50 he couldn't get away with that. You say all you want to that you would hang on with top pair. Sure, if you have proper brm, you can handle losing a buy in every once in a while for the pure value of calling all of his air hands but when you start talking about putting half a million dollars in on the river without the nuts, it's so sick. Even Ivey, a degenerate gambler who figured dwan had exactly what he had in that spot, declined to find out for half a million. Even though it looked like dwan was about to puke in that hand.
Even someone who makes $6mil/year $500k every month isn't going to be excited about stacking off a month or 2months salary against dwan.
the 72 hand made me a fan of the kid.
He's never going to be a great tournament player unless of course it's $500k,$1,000,000+ buy ins in superdeep stack.

Aleksei · Jul 18, 2013

RichL said:
If you know he's regularly betting big with air and it's almost impossible to read him then i guess opponents will just have to stand up to him from time to time and hope its a bluff.

It has ****-all to do with hope; it's math. If he has air more often than any value hand in a spot, it's correct to call down every marginal showdown-value hand in that spot.

groggy44 · Jul 18, 2013

BS bro.
The says call but we are talking a about $200NL or $400NL.
We're talking about $300,000 pots. Even Phil Ivey, the relentless cash crusher went against his instinct and folded. Looking at durrr you could see he was not comfortable. He wouldn't be able to do this in midstakes games. Only in the nosebleed games. While swings in poker and cash games are normal losing $300k in a pot anytime is not going to make you happy.
Talk about math all you want, even if I was staked by the Bill Gates, I'm not playing nosebleed stakes with these sickos

MK8 · Jul 18, 2013

Durrrr is pretty good at sizing up his competition. He knows that Hellmuth can read hands and is somewhat nitty, but also understands the ego of Phil. Phil sort of sums it up best when he says that if he folds he'll look like and idiot but if he calls and wins he'll look like a genius. Durrrr also knows the image he has so it's actually MORE likely he'll get called. He knows that an overbet looks more like a bluff ( to hellmuth) than a near pot sized bet. But in actuality, he's probably never bluffing vs phil with this bet size in this situation.

groggy44 · Jul 19, 2013

In the hand will hellmuth, durrr just owned him.
Phil leveled himself. Should've folded the turn bet. He couldn't beat A7 at that point. Even if you think durr is bluffing on the turn. Seriously, what bluffs can you beat. Losing to AK, A7, hell you're losing to 88. Phil got owned by his ego.
If he was going to show any strength it should've been on the flop. Durrr might have given him credit. even if Durrr doesn't turn trips, he's still shoving on the river to blow phil off a queen
The highstakes poker game I would like to see is Durrr vs Ivey. Bankroll vs bankroll. Blinds $2000/$4000 limit NLHE or PLO. Minimum of 1000 hands live at a casino.
That would hella awesome ppv

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