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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 2342059, member: 23910"] I'm pretty much ambivalent on the issue of whether edge sorting is cheating or not - I don't think it's cheating per se, but I'm also OK with casinos enforcing their right to deny action to people that they find advantage playing. What I'm not OK with is what seems to have happened in the Ivey/Crockfords case, where they let him keep playing and then denied his payout (obviously hoping that he'd lose despite edge sorting). I disagree completely about drunk patrons being an allowable "edge" for the casino though. If someone is so drunk that they can't play properly and they're effectively just giving money away, then by law in most places the casino is supposed to cut them off from gambling (and drinking, FWIW), not take advantage of them. [/QUOTE]