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[QUOTE="ChuckTs, post: 429960, member: 467"]
The fact that all you're seeing from Hachem is premium hands is a sign that he's playing a TAG (and therefore solid) style of game.  You only see a small percent of the hands played after the producers get their hands on poker footage, so you have to realize that obviously all the hands aren't happening one after the other (he's not on some great lucky card streak).  Saying that he raised with 24 and beat QQ makes him look bad; maybe the situation was perfect for a steal, and he didn't give a thought to what he was holding.  I don't know how the hand played out, but it could have been alot better than "he raised with 24 and put a horrible beat on QQ".  You say you never see him making great bluffs or calls, and maybe he's not a great like Brunson, Chan, Hellmuth and so on (I really wouldn't say he's one of the [I]top[/I] players in the world), but he played a solid game and took the tourney down nonetheless.  That's not a fluke in my books.

Moneymaker is a whole different monster; I didn't see the exact hands, but heard that he pulled several bad beats and backdoor beats that were the results of him putting his money in as 2nd best on his way to his WSOP bracelet.  He got pretty lucky, and his 2003 win was a fluke in my books; he was a relatively new online player, and it took alot of luck for him to win that year's WSOP.
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